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    Can A be 'greater' than B and B 'greater' than C but C 'greater' than A?

    I dont generally get too involved with the ranking or vs threads but the CW50 thread is interesting and it got me thinking:

    Can A be 'greater' than B and B 'greater' than C but C 'greater' than A?

    Are they absolute or is it dependant on the strengths and weaknesses of the players being compared and the matchup that each presents?

    Hypothetical example.
    Tendulkar > Lara
    Lara > Waugh
    Waugh > Tendulkar
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    I guess its possible. But in this hypotetical exam IMO Tendulkar (A) is better than Lara (B) & S Waugh (C).

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    You actually have to give an example of 3 players like that. This one is not working because Waugh is not greater than Tendulkar.
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    No, assuming you are comparing one attribute. Could be say, ability to play Shane Warne, or could be batting in general. If the criteris is constrained, then no, it is not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBMAC View Post
    If beauty is in the eye of the beholder tthen GREATNESS is in the eye of the fan
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    Cricket is a game with a lot of aspects. The dynamics involved means that it is certainly possible that in condition x they three variables rank in a particular order while in y condition they rank completely differently.

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    Don't know about players, but I can think of a couple of occasions involving teams.

    Mid1950's, England > Aus, WI > England and Aus > W I.

    Mid 1960's Aus > WI, WI > England but England = Aus

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    Currently, i'd say India>Australia>Sri Lanka>SA>India

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    This kind of cycling can happen with head to head comparisons between teams or players in individual sports like tennis. In other words team A consistently beats B which beats C which beats A. Can't see how it applies comparisons between batsmen though since they don't go head to head. It could perhaps apply to combinations of batsmen and bowlers. So Batsman A dominates bowler B who dominates batsman C who dominates bowler D who dominates batsman A. Can't think of a real-world example though.
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    As SS said, not if you're comparing apples with apples, unless you've got an inconsistency in your rating process. If you're thinking "I think Tendulkar is better than Lara, and Lara is better than Waugh, but Waugh is better than Tendulkar" (for example's sake, ferchristsakes no need to leap to Sachin's defence here), then you're just a bit confused. It's a different thing from saying "Hayden is in general better than Sehwag, and Sehwag is in general better than Atherton, but in conditions with sideways movement through the air, Atherton is better than Hayden".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    As SS said, not if you're comparing apples with apples, unless you've got an inconsistency in your rating process. If you're thinking "I think Tendulkar is better than Lara, and Lara is better than Waugh, but Waugh is better than Tendulkar" (for example's sake, ferchristsakes no need to leap to Sachin's defence here), then you're just a bit confused. It's a different thing from saying "Hayden is in general better than Sehwag, and Sehwag is in general better than Atherton, but in conditions with sideways movement through the air, Atherton is better than Hayden".
    Yup. If you're saying one person is better than another, except in this case, it is fine. But not if you're using the same exact criteria - it's just logically impossible.

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    Shane Bond's name should make an appearance here in this thread surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    If you're thinking "I think Tendulkar is better than Lara, and Lara is better than Waugh, but Waugh is better than Tendulkar" (for example's sake, ferchristsakes no need to leap to Sachin's defence here), then you're just a bit confused.

    Yes but Goughy's (excellent) point is that this is in fact precisely how we do think. It's not easy to encapsulate why we think that way, but we do. I think it has to do with the particular constellation of biases (for and against) that we harbour in relation to any selection of well-known players. It is only when we set one player up against the other that certain aspects of their play comes to the forefront of our minds. When we compare one of those players to another player, instinctively we focus on different aspects of their play.

    Or something.

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