Bond, Shane Bond

Days of Grace · 12-09-2009, 06:41 PM

Well, he's back, and I'm sure I am one of many posters on here that think the cricket world is a better place because of it.

My two questions are, 1) can he be as good a bowler and effective a wicket-taker as before?; and
2) With a strike-rate of 27, an E/R of 4.18 in this day and age, and an average of 19, do you think he is a candidate to named as the Greatest ODI bowler of all time? He has nearly played 70 matches, so I don't think you can play the "not a big enough sample" card.

Migara · 12-09-2009, 07:02 PM

Greatest ODI bowler of all time - McGrath has that title, with Wasim and Murali as close 2nd and 3rd. Bond has not played enough matches to get in to that "Hall of fame"

Days of Grace · 12-09-2009, 08:27 PM

According to you, that is.

Noble One · 12-09-2009, 08:32 PM

Greatest ODI bowler of all time? No way.

Greatest ODI bowler against Australia? Yes, by some margin. The level of dominance he has displayed over Australia is just incredible.

Pratters · 12-09-2009, 08:44 PM

I don't think he will be as effective as before. He is 34 years old and you don't bowl your fastest at this age. Only if you can improvise like a Lillee or a McGrath can you hope to match your younger days as a fast bowler and that doesn't happen more often than not. His speeds have definitely reduced and he is past his best in all likelihood.

Greatest ODI bowler ever? Nah. Hussey, Saqlain had great stats but you wouldn't compare them to the greatest at that stage as you need a much more substantial body of work to be in the elite greatest bowlers of all time.

Shane Bond has played 69 ODIs and 17 tests. He was a bowler who could have been one of the greatest bowlers but fate had other ideas.

Brett Dale · 12-09-2009, 10:59 PM

Too bad, Bond wont play test cricket.

Days of Grace · 12-09-2009, 11:28 PM

How do you know?

Athlai · 12-09-2009, 11:33 PM

Reckon he'd slide in between O'Brien and Martin two workhorses and Bond doing a 6 over spell every now and then sounds good to me.

Polo23 · 13-09-2009, 03:46 AM

If he doesn't get injured between now and our next test match he'll almost certainly be in the playing XI.

As for being as good as before, he's similar pace to what he was in 2007 (around 140 consistently with the ability to crank the odd ball up) and he looks as fit as ever. To be honest, I think age has almost been a good thing for him as a bowler, he knows what works and what doesn't and he knows how to manage his back a lot better than before. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest he won't be just as effective as before.

Uppercut · 13-09-2009, 03:56 AM

Shane Bond one of the best ODI bowlers of all time?

I don't think you can suspend fitness as a factor when judging someone's ability. Being able to bowl without breaking down is crucial for any fast bowler. 128 wickets isn't many.

SeamUp · 13-09-2009, 04:01 AM

Exactly right.

To be great you need to be consistently good for many years without regularly breaking down.

For instance SA had a left-armer in the mid 90's called Brett Schultz who bowled balls of violence at 155 kmph and with skill and swing and the odd yorker but he always got injured.

I'm sure he would have gone down as a great in the record books but he didn't due to injury.

briangarg · 13-09-2009, 04:06 AM

very well said uppercut, i agree....

Manee · 13-09-2009, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Uppercut

Shane Bond one of the best ODI bowlers of all time?

I don't think you can suspend fitness as a factor when judging someone's ability. Being able to bowl without breaking down is crucial for any fast bowler. 128 wickets isn't many.

Well said.

Days of Grace · 13-09-2009, 07:10 AM

Well, let's see. Joel Garner took 146 wickets, and is considered by many to be in at least the top 3 ODI bowlers of all time.

Logic only suggests that if Bond goes past Garner's wicket tally then he too must be considered.

Migara · 13-09-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Well, let's see. Joel Garner took 146 wickets, and is considered by many to be in at least the top 3 ODI bowlers of all time.

Logic only suggests that if Bond goes past Garner's wicket tally then he too must be considered.

On that note best ever ODI bowler in Mendis if he retires today.

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Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,856	Bond, Shane Bond Well, he's back, and I'm sure I am one of many posters on here that think the cricket world is a better place because of it. My two questions are, 1) can he be as good a bowler and effective a wicket-taker as before?; and 2) With a strike-rate of 27, an E/R of 4.18 in this day and age, and an average of 19, do you think he is a candidate to named as the Greatest ODI bowler of all time? He has nearly played 70 matches, so I don't think you can play the "not a big enough sample" card. __________________ Greatest Ever Test XI (according to my ratings): Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman (c), Headley, Lara, Sobers, Gilchrist (wk), Hadlee, Marshall, Steyn, Muralitharan 12th man: Imran Khan Favorite XI: Grace (c), Trumper, Richards, Lara, Compton, Gilchrist (wk), Cairns, Jessop, Warne, Bond, Trueman

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Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	Greatest ODI bowler of all time - McGrath has that title, with Wasim and Murali as close 2nd and 3rd. Bond has not played enough matches to get in to that "Hall of fame" __________________ Diuretics are used to look good at TV shows I played for 20 years in the Lankan team, I did not have any problems as a Tamil - Muralidaran

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Brett Dale School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 140	Too bad, Bond wont play test cricket. __________________ http://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.com

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12-09-2009, 08:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,856	According to you, that is.

12-09-2009, 08:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Noble One International Vice-Captain Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 4,112	Greatest ODI bowler of all time? No way. Greatest ODI bowler against Australia? Yes, by some margin. The level of dominance he has displayed over Australia is just incredible.

12-09-2009, 08:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Pratters Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 20,794	I don't think he will be as effective as before. He is 34 years old and you don't bowl your fastest at this age. Only if you can improvise like a Lillee or a McGrath can you hope to match your younger days as a fast bowler and that doesn't happen more often than not. His speeds have definitely reduced and he is past his best in all likelihood. Greatest ODI bowler ever? Nah. Hussey, Saqlain had great stats but you wouldn't compare them to the greatest at that stage as you need a much more substantial body of work to be in the elite greatest bowlers of all time. Shane Bond has played 69 ODIs and 17 tests. He was a bowler who could have been one of the greatest bowlers but fate had other ideas.

12-09-2009, 11:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,856	How do you know?

13-09-2009, 03:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Polo23 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NZ Posts: 2,040	If he doesn't get injured between now and our next test match he'll almost certainly be in the playing XI. As for being as good as before, he's similar pace to what he was in 2007 (around 140 consistently with the ability to crank the odd ball up) and he looks as fit as ever. To be honest, I think age has almost been a good thing for him as a bowler, he knows what works and what doesn't and he knows how to manage his back a lot better than before. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest he won't be just as effective as before.

13-09-2009, 04:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
SeamUp State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cape Town Posts: 1,246	Exactly right. To be great you need to be consistently good for many years without regularly breaking down. For instance SA had a left-armer in the mid 90's called Brett Schultz who bowled balls of violence at 155 kmph and with skill and swing and the odd yorker but he always got injured. I'm sure he would have gone down as a great in the record books but he didn't due to injury.

13-09-2009, 07:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
Days of Grace International Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Takasaki, Japan Posts: 3,856	Well, let's see. Joel Garner took 146 wickets, and is considered by many to be in at least the top 3 ODI bowlers of all time. Logic only suggests that if Bond goes past Garner's wicket tally then he too must be considered.

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