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    The Era Chain

    It is often said that direct comparison across the different eras of cricket is almost impossible. It seems daft to compare Sachin Tendulkar and WG Grace for instance, because they played in such completely different eras - some might even say almost completely different games!

    However, whilst scowling Cricinfo, I quickly come up with the following list of players that played in at least one test with each other.

    Grace 1880-1899
    Rhodes 1899-1930
    Headley 1930-1954
    Graveney 1951-1969
    Boycott 1964-1982
    Gooch 1975-1995
    Tendulkar 1989-2009

    It seems that the days of Grace are only a mere 6 matches (or maybe less?) away from the game today!

    Can anybody come up with a shorter link between players of the early tests and the modern game?

    Comparing each player with the player above in the chain is not unreasonable as their respective eras coincided. Maybe this is a way of comparing players across eras?

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    Recall a similar thread about this a while back.

    John Traicos is always a good player in these sort of things..

    For more information on John Traicos check out a 'sheep thread' near you

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    Hmm, trying to see how quickly I can link a modern player to the first test using first-class games as the link. Anyone beat six steps?

    George Ulyett 1873-1893 (played in first ever test)
    George Hirst 1891-1929
    Maurice Tate 1912-1937
    Denis Compton 1936-1958
    Fred Titmus 1949-1982
    John Emburey 1973-1997
    Usman Afzaal 1995-2009

    I started at Fred Titmus and worked in both directions from him. He played with a lot of players!

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    quickly did one for Aust test players and couldn't go less than ten (but someone else probably could)

    Blackham
    ES Gregory
    Macartney (Mailey or Armstrong)
    Ponsford (could be nearly anyone, the gap from the above to Bradman was only 2years)
    Bradman
    Harvey
    Simpson
    Border
    Warne (Taylor, Waughs, Hayden, Martyn, Healy, etc)
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    brian close whose test career spanned from 49 to 75 used to be pretty helpful in these chains

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    Quote Originally Posted by pskov View Post
    Hmm, trying to see how quickly I can link a modern player to the first test using first-class games as the link. Anyone beat six steps?

    George Ulyett 1873-1893 (played in first ever test)
    George Hirst 1891-1929
    Maurice Tate 1912-1937
    Denis Compton 1936-1958
    Fred Titmus 1949-1982
    John Emburey 1973-1997
    Usman Afzaal 1995-2009

    I started at Fred Titmus and worked in both directions from him. He played with a lot of players!
    The oldest first class match on record (even using cricket archives dot com is this one played in June 1801
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    You need to go back to George Ulyett's grandfather's time if not to his great grand father's

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    Did this with some chap from my club a while back, last season. It's always interesting, but six is most certainly the best possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Did this with some chap from my club a while back, last season. It's always interesting, but six is most certainly the best possible.
    Any chance you could post up a test match link with 6 players if you can still remember it. I'd be interested in seeing it.

    The difficult area when I was trying this was the 2nd World War. When using Headley as a link it's difficult to find anyone who played in his last test match in 1954 who played on long into the 60's. Only Graveney did so I think and I struggled to find someone who played against Graveney and into the late 80's.

    Maybe using Bill Voce (played in Rhodes last match and after the war) is the key?

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    1. Grace 1880-1899
    2. Rhodes 1899-1930
    3. Headley 1930-1954
    4. Close 1949-1976
    5. Gooch 1975-1995
    6. Tendulkar 1989-2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    1. Grace 1880-1899
    2. Rhodes 1899-1930
    3. Headley 1930-1954
    4. Close 1949-1976
    5. Gooch 1975-1995
    6. Tendulkar 1989-2009
    Headley never played with Close in a test match. Close first played the West Indies in 1957. Headley retired in 1954. Nor did Close ever play with Gooch. In that series against the West Indies in 1976 where Close returned, Gooch did not play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    1. Grace 1880-1899
    2. Rhodes 1899-1930
    3. Headley 1930-1954
    4. Close 1949-1976
    5. Gooch 1975-1995
    6. Tendulkar 1989-2009
    The only problem with that is you do not start with the very first test ever played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    The only problem with that is you do not start with the very first test ever played.
    To be fair I did say in my first post "Can anybody come up with a shorter link between players of the early tests and the modern game?". I didn't specify it had to be the first test

    Although a very good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oasisbob View Post
    Headley never played with Close in a test match. Close first played the West Indies in 1957. Headley retired in 1954. Nor did Close ever play with Gooch. In that series against the West Indies in 1976 where Close returned, Gooch did not play.
    You're quite right - apologies for not having read the opening post correctly

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    Using test matches only to get back to the first ever test, I can't beat 8 players linked by 7 matches. Compton's debut and Woolley's final test were only three years apart and are linked by a lot of players, so just stuck Hammond in there to add the quality.

    Sachin Tendulkar
    John Traicos
    Tom Goddard
    Denis Compton
    Wally Hammond
    Frank Wooley
    Archie MacLaren
    Jack Blackham

    This list would be the genesis of a terrific team, just need to add a couple of bowlers (and hide Traicos somewhere).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oasisbob View Post
    Any chance you could post up a test match link with 6 players if you can still remember it. I'd be interested in seeing it.
    It is not possible to go from first Test to now in 6. It would be interesting as it is impossible.

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