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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambu View Post
    Oh i haven't denied the fact that its quicker out of the hand. Its just that i would like to see a credible(I'm not saying Thompson and Marsh aren't credible..but they are hardly unbiased) source stating that he was measured at the batsmen's end during this particular match.
    I'd find it hard to believe Thommo or anyone bowled at 180 kph (not that anyone here is saying he did, of course). I do believe the man was the fastest bowler I've seen, and probably (though who knows?) the fastest ever.

    But really, if he bowled at 180 kph the difference between that and even express bowlers like Lee, Akthar, Tait and the genuinely quick ones like the Lillee's (early days), Marshall, Holding (though he was probably express as well) would surely be discernable from the footage.

    What I mean is, Thommo looks really quick in the footage, but so do the other fellows I've mentioned. If he was THAT much quicker than everyone else, wouldn't you notice it?

    Likewise, Marsh stood a long way back to Thommo, but if you see the old footage, is he that much further back than other keepers to other really quick bowlers? I know that's hard to tell from camera angles and all, but it seems to me unlikely he or anyone else ever reached that speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Unless he's training in a bubble, not bowling at anyone in the nets (3 years of that wouldn't be much fun) and living high in some inaccessible mountains, I find it somewhat difficult to believe he's been totally under wraps. Apparently he's been training in the UK too. Christ, even Usama bin Laden gets seen by people occasionally.

    Not only is there no primary source for this info (footage, etc.) there's not even any corroboration. Once again, bull****.

    EDIT: Put it this way; I would be shocked if any of it was true. Mind you, even if he comes out of nowhere and bowls even 90mph, that's still pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambu View Post
    Haha i'll take you on for an avatar bet on that mate..if you're interested.IPL starts on April 17th,thats 23 days from now.
    What's the bet exactly? That he can bowl 100mph+? If so, you're on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    What's the bet exactly? That he can bowl 100mph+? If so, you're on.
    I was talking about him existing and clocking above 90 mph..well lets settle it to 95 mph?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I'd find it hard to believe Thommo or anyone bowled at 180 kph (not that anyone here is saying he did, of course). I do believe the man was the fastest bowler I've seen, and probably (though who knows?) the fastest ever.

    But really, if he bowled at 180 kph the difference between that and even express bowlers like Lee, Akthar, Tait and the genuinely quick ones like the Lillee's (early days), Marshall, Holding (though he was probably express as well) would surely be discernable from the footage.

    What I mean is, Thommo looks really quick in the footage, but so do the other fellows I've mentioned. If he was THAT much quicker than everyone else, wouldn't you notice it?

    Likewise, Marsh stood a long way back to Thommo, but if you see the old footage, is he that much further back than other keepers to other really quick bowlers? I know that's hard to tell from camera angles and all, but it seems to me unlikely he or anyone else ever reached that speed.
    This. The difference on the footage between a bloke who bowls 130km/h vs 150km/h is massive so 160km/h vs 180km/h would show a difference too.

    Fair bit of bluff and bravado going on from the guys of that vintage. If people think awesome things of you, why would you stop that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambu View Post
    I was talking about him existing and clocking above 90 mph..well lets settle it to 95 mph?
    Well he clearly exists so there goes that.

    But I reckon even 90mph will be pushing it. To be fair to you, avatar bet for a month if this guy plays IPL and clocks above 90mph.

    Fully expect him to not play amid claims of injury or 'he's not ready'. As you said, the IPL is pretty soon so shouldn't he have some match practice by now? Going to be raw if he plays!

    EDIT: Actually, add 5mph to the speed since they're playing it in South Africa. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Well he clearly exists so there goes that.

    But I reckon even 90mph will be pushing it. To be fair to you, avatar bet for a month if this guy plays IPL and clocks above 90mph.

    Fully expect him to not play amid claims of injury or 'he's not ready'. As you said, the IPL is pretty soon so shouldn't he have some match practice by now? Going to be raw if he plays!
    Ok you're on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post


    Never happened. What Lambu said is right.

    huh??

    How can you say it 'never happened'?

    He was clearly clocked at those 2 speeds - but not by the same sort of speed gun they used today.


    Oh - and when you said "taking Thommo's word is foolish" - you'll notice in what I originally posted that I was careful to distance myself from acknowledging what he said as fact - but the fact is in the ball being quicker at the bowlers hand.

    Michael Holding is very quick on TV (and in real life) - has been talked about as one of the fastest of all time - if, following a collarbone break and being regarded as 'not nearly as fast' - if Thomson in that circumstance can beat Holding by 7kph (148 - 141 at the batsmans end) then it's not inconceivable that he bowled 160 3 years earlier with a 'proper shoulder'. In fact, it's recorded fact that he did.

    Now where it was measured is up for debate - but it seems that the people doing the measuring are the ones saying it was at the batsman's end...

    He bowled a '6 byes' at the WACA.... that's fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I'd find it hard to believe Thommo or anyone bowled at 180 kph (not that anyone here is saying he did, of course). I do believe the man was the fastest bowler I've seen, and probably (though who knows?) the fastest ever.

    But really, if he bowled at 180 kph the difference between that and even express bowlers like Lee, Akthar, Tait and the genuinely quick ones like the Lillee's (early days), Marshall, Holding (though he was probably express as well) would surely be discernable from the footage.

    What I mean is, Thommo looks really quick in the footage, but so do the other fellows I've mentioned. If he was THAT much quicker than everyone else, wouldn't you notice it?

    Likewise, Marsh stood a long way back to Thommo, but if you see the old footage, is he that much further back than other keepers to other really quick bowlers? I know that's hard to tell from camera angles and all, but it seems to me unlikely he or anyone else ever reached that speed.

    To be fair, some of the stuff Thommo bowled Greig (in some footage) had Rod Marsh on skates taking it behind the stumps - and it looked fairly sharp.

    Everyone who faced him said he was the fastest ever - so clearly they noticed it?

    I doubt he made 180 - but, if that speed gun reading is "at the batsman's end" then he's quicker than the 2 speeds of 160 that were clocked.

    Personally, although everyone says it was 'at the batsman', I'd be more likely to believe it's halfway down the pitch, or someplace other than 'out of the hand' - ie, maybe not directly out of the hand, but surely not right at the batsman?

    If he's significantly quicker than Holding after a bung collarbone, then I'd believe he could've done 165kmh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    I call bull****. The same sort of rubbish was printed about Munaf Patel before he was seen in public.
    TS Sekhar of the MRF Pace Foundation claimed that Munaf bowls around 145 kph and may hit 150 kph with further development. On debut, he regularly bowled in the low 140s so it wasn't much of a let-down. Sure, there may have been idiots claiming that Munaf is India's Akhtar but the only credible source (his coach) was quite accurate. In the case of Atul Sharma, the hype is coming from his coach and not the media, which gives the notion a bit of credibility. Not much, but a little bit. Let's see what happens though, I'm as skeptical as the rest until I see this guy in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldmancraigy View Post
    Thompson was measured at the batsmens end of the pitch and he clocked up a couple of deliveries over 100mph (160kph+). These days the trend is to measure from the bowlers hand, usually 10-15kph faster - so he was conceivably up around the 175kmh mark...
    Thompson hit the sightscreen on the full at the WACA (the ball bounced on the pitch, cleared Marsh, and carried for 6 byes).
    After dislocating his collar-bone in 1976 he lost a LOT of pace - but was still able to beat Michael Holding to win a 'fast bowling contest' by clocking 148kph (Holding made 141).
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    He bowled a '6 byes' at the WACA.... that's fast!
    Not true. 6 byes is impossible (without overthrows and all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Not true. 6 byes is impossible (without overthrows and all).
    Really??

    I thought that it was it was "possible" - a bowler bowls a bouncer, it clears the head of the keeper, and hits the sightscreen on the full. 6 byes. If that's only 4, my bad...

    But it's not only possible to do what was just written, but If you were you at the WACA for Aus v Eng in the early 70s, you would have seen this happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambu View Post
    Perhaps he is quick?
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    In Indian domestic cricket, the top pace bowlers are only a little over medium-pace, and do a very good job. India is stereotyped as a tough place for pace bowlers, yet you find several medium-pacers (and a little faster) maintain averages a little over 20. On the other hand, some rookie pacers struggle to even finish a domestic season, and don't offer anything except for the promise of pace- many can't bat, some can't even field.

    You can look at one team to spot the difference. Gagandeep Singh has an average under 20. He's maintained this average for more than five seasons. He's maintained this average in India, not in England or New Zealand. He can move the ball quite well when it's new, and gets a good shape. He keeps a line and length for quite some time. He's also a very effective fielder, though not much of a batsman. But he misses out, for that obvious reason- lack of pace. On the other hand, you have VRV Singh, who's been hyped as a pace prospect. He isn't very fast, and though he has a tendency to brush the stumps in his run-up, he sprays the ball all around, oversteps and gets the ball at an easy pace to hit to the boundary. Worse, he's no good with the bat, can't field and has missed several matches due to injury.

    There's no point picking someone just because he can apparently bowl fast. Pick someone who'll get a job done. We don't know if Atul Sharma fits the bill, but except for pace, he may end up picking up a lot less wickets than Joginder Sharma, who's a full-fledged batsman for his team, and we know where he is now.
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