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    The flaw in batting averages

    Came across this and was wondering what our resident statisticians thought of it:

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    There is no flaw at all in batting averages. It's a pure fact. If you start introducing other factors it's no longer a measure of what actually happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    There is no flaw at all in batting averages. It's a pure fact. If you start introducing other factors it's no longer a measure of what actually happened.
    On what basis? Being a fact doesn't imply that it isn't a flawed measure. How about if we only look at total wickets for bowlers. It is a fact, but it is still a flawed way to look at bowling performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    There is no flaw at all in batting averages. It's a pure fact. If you start introducing other factors it's no longer a measure of what actually happened.
    Any mean, being a calculation with associated standard deviation, by definition, is not a fact. not a measure at all of what actually happened; number of runs scored is and that's basically it.

    I agree with the writer of the article, averages are an incomplete measure of batting skill and results. Not sure what would be or indeed if you can come up with a single measure.
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    under the system now.. it has bevan at the top of the pile.. but strangely when this guy does it based on his formular bevan slips too 4th and players such as tendulkar, ponting and richards move above him. and id be suprised to fine anyone on cw that though bevan should be higher than those 3. and also being 4th on the list for bevan still demonstrates how good of a player he was.

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    this article doesn't take into account that batsmen coming in later in the innings more often than not have to take a higher amount of risks than someone coming in earlier in the innings. therefore if they are not out after being in for 10 overs accelerating the scoring rate they rightfully shouldnt have this included in their number of innings.

    of course there are plenty of valid reasons for the other side of this debate too

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    Averages are just statistics. They are by no means an absolute measure of skill.

    There is only a problem when people measure a players skill on average alone, not taking in variables such as the situation, opposition etc

    There is no need to change anything, people just need to realise that averages aren't everything, they need to be put in context, and they can sometimes be misleading.

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    well, richards, tendulkar and ponting are certainly the top 3 one-day batsmen of all time with bevan at no 4 for sure. if the new statistical method comes up with this result it could be right. but this alone cant make one method better than the other. stats are just that, numbers. greatness is much much more than that. and trying to define it in your own terms is great fun....

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    Batting averages are flawed because they don't take into account dropped catches

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    It's an interesting analysis, and makes sense for what it's trying to do.
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    Urgh!!! @ people who over analyse with stats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    It's an interesting analysis, and makes sense for what it's trying to do.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Alfresco View Post
    Batting averages are flawed because they don't take into account dropped catches
    Nor do series results. Owing to Pietersen's dropping by Warne in the 5th test at the Oval in 05, England didn't deserve to win the Ashes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurrz View Post
    Urgh!!! @ people who over analyse with stats...
    Same, especially when they're either misused or too much emphasis is placed on data which is either wrong, misleading or incomplete. Misuse of stats is par for the course most of the time. 13.4487% of people know that.

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    pfft bean counters.

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