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    The Zennith of each test side

    The opposite of 'nadir'. What is the highest point for each test side over their respective histories?

    I'll make a weak attempt here to get the ball rolling.

    Australia: Beating England in 1948, and also beating England 5-0 in 2006/07
    India: Drawing 1-1 with Australia away in 2003/04
    New Zealand: winning against Australia away in 1985/86.
    West Indies: 'Blackwash' of England away in the mid-1970s.

    Keep in mind, I mean 'test' sides. So Pakistan winning the World Cup in 1992 doesn't count.
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    England has such a long history, that I decided to not just put Ashes 2005 without giving it some more thought.

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    India drew away to Aus in 2003/04 btw. Small correction.
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    India: Winning consecutive series in West Indies and England in '71 of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    India drew away to Aus in 2003/04 btw. Small correction.
    Can't speak for Indian fans, but I would have thought their recent series wins over Pakistan might be up there, or event he win v England last year when Zaheer boweld so magnificently.

    The side which drew 1-1 here was a quality line up though. I just think the attack they faced from Australia wasn't so great. I would have thought their attack out here this time was better too.
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    English zenith was probably mid 1950's - 3 successive Ashes wins and the eventual win at home to WI confirmed their status as best side in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Can't speak for Indian fans, but I would have thought their recent series wins over Pakistan might be up there, or event he win v England last year when Zaheer boweld so magnificently.
    No way...Great performances...But Indian test history has seen much better ones...I feel Pratyush' choice is accurate (the '71 performances)...The 1-1 draw in Australia will probably be 2nd on the list..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    The opposite of 'nadir'. What is the highest point for each test side over their respective histories?

    I'll make a weak attempt here to get the ball rolling.

    Australia: Beating England in 1948, and also beating England 5-0 in 2006/07
    India: Drawing 1-1 with Australia away in 2003/04
    New Zealand: winning against Australia away in 1985/86.
    West Indies: 'Blackwash' of England away in the mid-1970s.

    Keep in mind, I mean 'test' sides. So Pakistan winning the World Cup in 1992 doesn't count.

    WI's blackwash in England was in 1984. I wonder if their zenith was actually winning in Aus during 1979/80 to become number 1 side in the world.

    SA's would probably be beating Aus 4-0 in their last series before isolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    West Indies: 'Blackwash' of England away in the mid-1970s.
    'Twas in 1984 (in England) and 1986 (in West Indies) TBH. In 1976 they hammered us but were unable to win the opening 2 Tests. And I'm fairly sure zenith only has one "n".

    Anyway, I'd probably go for...
    England - as mentioned, June 1951 to August 1957 (against Test-class teams it was 11 series, 7 victories, 4 draws - less glorious than the zenith of many, it must be said, but still without defeat).
    Australia - the 6-and-a-half years, less WWII, of June 1930 to January 1952 (excluding the Bodyline series where illicit tactics were used to down them their record read an astonishing P 65 W 45 D 12 L 8 ). You know what this was, don't you? Yes, the Bradman era for the most part.
    South Africa - readmission (April 1992) to January 2002 (30 Test series, 19 victories, 5 draws, 6 defeats - and those defeats were 4 to Australia and 1 in India)
    West Indies - March 1976 to April 1986 (said it a few times but they were really rather good - excluding two Packer-afflicted series, they played 16 series, winning 14, drawing 1 legitimately and being cheated into 1 defeat - in this time they lost 4 live Tests out of 71 games and 1 of these was said cheated-defeat)
    India - February 1968 to February 1973 (6 series, 4 victories including 3 away ones, 1 draw and 1 defeat - and they almost certainly had the better side in both of the latter and the draw and defeat were somewhat inexplicable)
    New Zealand - February 1981 to March 1987 (13 series, 8 victories, 2 draws, 3 defeats, all the defeats being away)
    Less sure about Pakistan and Sri Lanka, and don't think Zimbabwe ever really had one ITBT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Can't speak for Indian fans, but I would have thought their recent series wins over Pakistan might be up there, or event he win v England last year when Zaheer boweld so magnificently.

    The side which drew 1-1 here was a quality line up though. I just think the attack they faced from Australia wasn't so great. I would have thought their attack out here this time was better too.
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    No way...Great performances...But Indian test history has seen much better ones...I feel Pratyush' choice is accurate (the '71 performances)...The 1-1 draw in Australia will probably be 2nd on the list..
    Winning in the West Indies and South Africa in the last few years? Pretty good going IMO. 2001 v Australia would have to be up there.

    And Richard I think you should also include New Zealand's 1949 tour of England, only lost one game that series and that was a Tour match (it might have been against Leicestershire IIRC). To draw 0-0 against an England side with so many big names is pretty good for mine. I saw a book in New Zealand in 2001 it was about New Zealand cricket and some of its finest moments and the one thing I remember pretty well from that book was that it was included in there.
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    Victory>draws.

    I started watching in around 2000/01 so I can't really comment. Pretty handy Australian side now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    And Richard I think you should also include New Zealand's 1949 tour of England, only lost one game that series and that was a Tour match (it might have been against Leicestershire IIRC). To draw 0-0 against an England side with so many big names is pretty good for mine. I saw a book in New Zealand in 2001 it was about New Zealand cricket and some of its finest moments and the one thing I remember pretty well from that book was that it was included in there.
    True, I suppose. Actually haven't overtly examined that, as I tend not to in the pre-Test-class NZ period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    True, I suppose. Actually haven't overtly examined that, as I tend not to in the pre-Test-class NZ period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    And Richard I think you should also include New Zealand's 1949 tour of England, only lost one game that series and that was a Tour match (it might have been against Leicestershire IIRC). To draw 0-0 against an England side with so many big names is pretty good for mine. I saw a book in New Zealand in 2001 it was about New Zealand cricket and some of its finest moments and the one thing I remember pretty well from that book was that it was included in there.

    IIRC that was the tour when someone decided that 3-day tests would be a good idea. Without denigrating NZ's performances too much, that, along with the state of England's bowling immediately postWW2 means it wasn't quite the achievement it looks 60 years later.
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