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    I think those who are claiming that all teams must start from somewhere and therefore the traditions argument is flawed are mistaken. English football clubs developed in the late 19th century when organised sport took off. They did not have to replace anything and were therefore original.

    Twenty20 franchises won't work in England, because people will only support a team that they have a link to. I wouldn't support any English side but Lancashire (Cheshire, perhaps, in a game between the two).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Supports Portsmouth in footy though
    I know - and I also know why, but I've forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo View Post
    I think those who are claiming that all teams must start from somewhere and therefore the traditions argument is flawed are mistaken. English football clubs developed in the late 19th century when organised sport took off. They did not have to replace anything and were therefore original.

    Twenty20 franchises won't work in England. People here are very wary of supporting a side they have little traditional link to. I wouldn't support anyone but Lancashire.
    Second paragraph contradicting the first here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I know - and I also know why, but I've forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Second paragraph contradicting the first here?
    I thought that at first, but what he is saying is that those who state the traditions argument is flawed are mistaken rather than the argument itself being flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Second paragraph contradicting the first here?
    Don't think so. Think George was saying the exact same thing in both. A slightly confusing double-neg in there tho, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    I thought that at first, but what he is saying is that those who state the traditions argument is flawed are mistaken rather than the argument itself being flawed.
    How on Earth did you manage to make 2 posts in the time it took me to make my one-liner above?

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    I'd be mighty annoyed if we got merged with Nottinghamshire or Warwickshire or Derbyshire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    I think your opinion of what "franchises" means slightly differs from Clarke's. He's probably thinking about creating a league from scratch, with team names and assignments that have no connections in history, which you can't really say about the Super League. If your definition is merely closed-shop, which seems to be your definition, you might argue that English football was a "franchise" exercise until 1992, what with there being no relegation from the Fourth Division. (Yes, there was a possibility to be "elected" to the league, but presumably this would still exist in the Super League - especially from teams outside the heartland.)
    As I understand it the SL franchises are awarded for a set period (might be three years from memory, but CBA to check) and are then reviewed dependent on financial viability, attendances, performances, etc after it expires. But you are right in that the franchises will be awarded to (mostly) existing clubs with long histories.

    Clarke may have a point about us being resistant to flagrantly created confections, but if we are to compete with (or even aspire to come within a million miles of) the IPL tough decisions will have to be made. I don't think the city-based idea was ever a serious one, so the existing 18 counties must be trimmed, if only for the purposes of this proposed 2020 comp. That will come either through a process of natural selection of the more profitable and populous counties or through mergers.
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    Could have an EPL based around promotion and relegation, with lower divisions. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Clarke may have a point about us being resistant to flagrantly created confections, but if we are to compete with (or even aspire to come within a million miles of) the IPL tough decisions will have to be made.
    1, we don't need to compete.
    2, the IPL isn't something in competition with English cricket anyway.
    3, "taking tough decisions" isn't generally equable with "making decisons which are likely to cost millions and make little gain". There's no point creating something which the fans don't want.

    (I would have phrased these as questions but there's no point addressing questions to someone who won't read them, so I phase them as statements directed at the forum not questions at the poster)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Could have an EPL based around promotion and relegation, with lower divisions. Just a thought.
    It would essentially require the top division to get 6-7 times the income of the bottom division though (in order to pay them enough), which would only lead to elevator systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Could have an EPL based around promotion and relegation, with lower divisions. Just a thought.
    It's possible, I guess, but that brings its own set of problems: the clubs in the lower reaches will aspire to promotion so will be looking to sign the talent that will get them there, meaning (potentially at least) that not all the best players would be in the top division.

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