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    The main aim of a batsman is to score runs, what better way to judge how effective he was than by looking at his statistics? The way a batsmen looked should never influence people's opinions on how good he was at doing his job, IMO.

    Ok then my top 10 is..

    Bradman 99.94
    Hussey 86.18
    Pollock 60.97
    Headley 60.83
    Sutcliffe 60.73
    Ponting 59.42
    Paynter 59.23
    Barrington 58.67
    Weekes 58.61
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Ok then by top 10 is..

    Bradman 99.94
    Hussey 86.18
    Pollock 60.97
    Headley 60.83
    Sutcliffe 60.73
    Ponting 59.42
    Paynter 59.23
    Barrington 58.67
    Weekes 58.61
    Hammond 58.45

    No, because there are other factors to consider. For example, I don't feel that Hussey, Pollock, Headley and Paynter have played enough Tests. Also, I feel that Ponting's average has been inflated due to the conditions he has played in. There are other batsmen who are superior to him, who average just slightly less, but have done so in a harder period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Ok then my top 10 is..

    Bradman 99.94
    Hussey 86.18
    Pollock 60.97
    Headley 60.83
    Sutcliffe 60.73
    Ponting 59.42
    Paynter 59.23
    Barrington 58.67
    Weekes 58.61
    Hammond 58.45

    I would have thought a purely averages based top ten would have been further off than that tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bunny View Post
    I would have thought a purely averages based top ten would have been further off than that tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    The main aim of a batsman is to score runs, what better way to judge how effective he was than by looking at his statistics? The way a batsmen looked should never influence people's opinions on how good he was at doing his job, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    The main aim of a batsman is to score runs, what better way to judge how effective he was than by looking at his statistics? The way a batsmen looked should never influence people's opinions on how good he was at doing his job, IMO.
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    It is between people and the very reason we are people is because we tend to be swayed by emotions and that applies to the fans as well as to the players. People can claim to be not affected by emotions but that is almost invariably just a lie. Any bowler who says it never affects him whether it is a Gilchrist who scores a 50 off him or whether it is Kallis is probably juz lying. I know it affects me when a batsman makes me look like an idiot at the level I play in, can't imagine how it could be different for others. And just take a look at how many ex players and pundits talk about destroying a bowlers' confidence and all that. If the game was just about scoring runs (no matter how) and taking wickets... it won't be any better than playing EA sports cricket.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    cricket is not played between computers or robots.

    It is between people and the very reason we are people is because we tend to be swayed by emotions and that applies to the fans as well as to the players. People can claim to be not affected by emotions but that is almost invariably just a lie. Any bowler who says it never affects him whether it is a Gilchrist who scores a 50 off him or whether it is Kallis is probably juz lying. I know it affects me when a batsman makes me look like an idiot at the level I play in, can't imagine how it could be different for others. And just take a look at how many ex players and pundits talk about destroying a bowlers' confidence and all that. If the game was just about scoring runs (no matter how) and taking wickets... it won't be any better than playing EA sports cricket.....
    In the end though, the most basic thing in cricket is scoring runs and taking wickets. That's what counts. People won't remember a batsmen who looked sublime but failed to average 20 in Test cricket, but they'll remember somebody who averaged 60+, even if he was terrible to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    In the end though, the most basic thing in cricket is scoring runs and taking wickets. That's what counts. People won't remember a batsmen who looked sublime but failed to average 20 in Test cricket, but they'll remember somebody who averaged 60+, even if he was terrible to watch.
    yeah, but the guys we are talking about aren't ones who averaged 20 with the bat and 60 with the ball......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    In the end though, the most basic thing in cricket is scoring runs and taking wickets. That's what counts. People won't remember a batsmen who looked sublime but failed to average 20 in Test cricket, but they'll remember somebody who averaged 60+, even if he was terrible to watch.
    DWTA. As an example, I remember loving watching Dipak Patel bat and remember his style well despite his record being pretty ordinary. I remember the stylish players regardless of how poor their stats were
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    DWTA. As an example, I remember loving watching Dipak Patel bat and remember his style well despite his record being pretty ordinary. I remember the stylish players regardless of how poor their stats were
    I was referring to their legacies though, as those that score more heavily will generally be remember more than those who aren't as good, even if they look better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    yeah, but the guys we are talking about aren't ones who averaged 20 with the bat and 60 with the ball......
    No, they aren't. The principle still applies IMO, and so does the old saying "It's what you score, not how you score them"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    I was referring to their legacies though, as those that score more heavily will generally be remember more than those who aren't as good, even if they look better.
    True but that's mainly because their numbers are forever in the record books. I know what you are trying to say but people also remember how bad people were, e.g, Chatfield's batting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    I was referring to their legacies though, as those that score more heavily will generally be remember more than those who aren't as good, even if they look better.
    In 50 years time, I wonder if people will talk about Viv Richards more than Jacques Kallis?

    Kallis currently averages 58, Richards ended at 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    In 50 years time, I wonder if people will talk about Viv Richards more than Jacques Kallis?

    Kallis currently averages 58, Richards ended at 50.
    They won't talk about Richard's legacy as a run-scorer, they'll talk about how dominant he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    In 50 years time, I wonder if people will talk about Viv Richards more than Jacques Kallis?

    Kallis currently averages 58, Richards ended at 50.
    As long as people are still reading books then Richards will still be talked about.

    I also have no problem with May, by all accounts a great batsman
    You know it makes sense.

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