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    Deceased XI vs. Living XI

    Who would win in the ultimate grudge match between the living and the dead (appropriate for Halloween when these two worlds collide)

    Dead XI:

    1 Hobbs
    2. Hutton
    3. Bradman
    4. Hammond
    5 Headley
    6 Barrington
    7 Grout (wk)
    8 Marshall
    9 Trueman
    10 O'Reilly
    11 Barnes

    Living XI:

    1 Gavaskar
    2 Hayden
    3 Ponting
    4 Lara
    5 Tendulkar
    6 Sobers
    7 Gilchrist (wk)
    8 Imran Khan
    9 Warne
    10 Muralitharan
    11 McGrath

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    Dead XI has the better batting, living XI has the better bowling. I still think that any side with Bradman in it will be stronger than a side without him

    Edit: I would drop Murali for Ambrose. Sobers could bowl fingerspin if necessary.

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    the living do have one major advantage . they arnt six feet under
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    Marshall, Trueman, Barnes are nothing to sneeze at, and the batting is almost superior by default. I'd be willing to bet that the dead would win. Though I'd have Keith Miller in the dead as well (and a couple other changes to both teams).
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    Let's look at it position by position:

    Hobbs vs. Gavaskar
    Winner: The dead

    Hutton vs. Hayden
    Winner: The dead

    Bradman vs Ponting
    Winner: The dead

    Hammond vs. Lara
    Winner: The dead

    Headley vs. Tendulkar
    Winner: The dead

    Barrington vs Sobers
    Winner: The Living

    Grout vs. Gilchrist
    Winner: The Living

    Bowlers (not comparing in order)

    Marshall vs. Imran
    Winner: The dead

    Muralitharan vs. Barnes
    Winner: The dead (we have to compare a spinner vs. a hybrid as the new team has more spinners than the old one)

    Wane vs. O'Reilly
    Winner: The living

    McGrath vs. Trueman
    Winner: The living

    Thats 7-4. Though the biggest difference would be Bradman, as he is pretty much equivalent to two any other batsmen and any other strengths that the living have simply cannot make that up.
    Last edited by silentstriker; 30-10-2007 at 06:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Let's look at it position by position:

    Hobbs vs. Gavaskar
    Winner: The dead

    Hutton vs. Hayden
    Winner: The dead

    Bradman vs Ponting
    Winner: The dead

    Hammond vs. Lara
    Winner: The dead

    Headley vs. Tendulkar
    Winner: The dead

    Barrington vs Sobers
    Winner: The Living

    Grout vs. Gilchrist
    Winner: The Living

    Bowlers (not comparing in order)

    Marshall vs. Imran
    Winner: The dead

    Muralitharan vs. Barnes
    Winner: The dead (we have to compare a spinner vs. a hybrid as the new team has more spinners than the old one)

    Wane vs. O'Reilly
    Winner: The living

    McGrath vs. Trueman
    Winner: The living

    Thats 7-4.
    The only one I would argue is Headley vs Tendulkar, and The living do have the stronger bowling line up, and while the top order is outclassed by the dead, they have a very good lower order, while the dead batting finishes at 6.

    Also agree re Miller, you need someone who can bat at 7

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    Would the biggest difference really be Bradman? I mean Ponting is a powerhouse if we're considering both at their peak, and it may be a cliche, but there is some truth in the saying bowlers win matches. If we take them all at their peak (eg. 93/4 Warne), I'd say with the explosive brilliance of Warne, Sobers and Gilchrist, I think I'd prefer the living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Let's look at it position by position:

    Hobbs vs. Gavaskar
    Winner: The dead

    Hutton vs. Hayden
    Winner: The dead

    Bradman vs Ponting
    Winner: The dead

    Hammond vs. Lara
    Winner: The dead

    Headley vs. Tendulkar
    Winner: The dead

    Barrington vs Sobers
    Winner: The Living

    Grout vs. Gilchrist
    Winner: The Living

    Bowlers (not comparing in order)

    Marshall vs. Imran
    Winner: The dead

    Muralitharan vs. Barnes
    Winner: The dead (we have to compare a spinner vs. a hybrid as the new team has more spinners than the old one)

    Wane vs. O'Reilly
    Winner: The living

    McGrath vs. Trueman
    Winner: The living

    Thats 7-4. Though the biggest difference would be Bradman, as he is pretty much equivalent to two any other batsmen and any other strengths that the living have simply cannot make that up.
    Would argue in favor of Gavaskar, Lara, Tendulkar, Imran, and Muralitharan but other than that your analysis looks spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    Would argue in favor of Gavaskar, Lara, Tendulkar, Imran, and Muralitharan but other than that your analysis looks spot on.
    All right, because I am Indian I am pretty much genetically compelled to overrate Gavaskar, but there is no way he was better than Hobbs. Hammond and Headly vs. Lara and Tendulkar is closer, but I would still go the former. Imran is not better than Marshall while Barnes was a bigger freak than Murali is.
    Last edited by silentstriker; 30-10-2007 at 08:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burr View Post
    Would the biggest difference really be Bradman? I mean Ponting is a powerhouse if we're considering both at their peak,
    Repeat this part to yourself. Yes, the biggest difference WOULD be Bradman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    All right, because I am Indian I am pretty much genetically compelled to overrate Gavaskar, but there is no way he was better than Hobbs. Hammond and Headly vs. Lara and Tendulkar is closer, but I would still go the former. Imran is not better than Marshall while Barnes was a bigger freak than Murali is.
    They're all debatable imo, and while I would rate Marshall the better bowler than Imran, Imran brings more value to the side as an allrounder.

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    Wonder how the living XI would have done in each of the era's that they missed that the dead XI played in. Murali playing 60 years ago, wonder how he would've done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Wonder how the living XI would have done in each of the era's that they missed that the dead XI played in. Murali playing 60 years ago, wonder how he would've done.
    Murali on uncovered pitches, would've had to pitch it 10 feet outside of off stump for mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    Murali on uncovered pitches, would've had to pitch it 10 feet outside of off stump for mine.
    Exactly IMO, average of 4.2, but we'll never really know.

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