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    Quote Originally Posted by ozone View Post
    TBH, Prior was only ever on the scene because he was Peter Moores boy and as there was no clear alternative, Moores went with him. I don't think Graveny can be blamed for that one.
    Rubbish. Prior was in the side because of weight of runs. He demanded selection at the time and regardless of that, there's no justification for dropping him now. Doesn't matter if Graveney picked him. He shouldn't be dropping him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    Rubbish. Prior was in the side because of weight of runs. He demanded selection at the time and regardless of that, there's no justification for dropping him now. Doesn't matter if Graveney picked him. He shouldn't be dropping him.
    Weight of Runs? I haven't looked up the stats but I wouldn't mind betting James Foster scored more FC runs in 2006, the season which selection must have been based on. And if weight of runs is so important, why the hell isn't Mark Ramprakash even in the squad? Prior's been crap so why should he stay in the team. The two things you look for in a wicket-keeper batsman are runs and being able to catch. Matt Prior doesn't contribute either consistently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozone View Post
    Weight of Runs? I haven't looked up the stats but I wouldn't mind betting James Foster scored more FC runs in 2006, the season which selection must have been based on. And if weight of runs is so important, why the hell isn't Mark Ramprakash even in the squad? Prior's been crap so why should he stay in the team. The two things you look for in a wicket-keeper batsman are runs and being able to catch. Matt Prior doesn't contribute either consistently.
    Prior scored marginally more runs than Foster (112 in 1 more innings) in 2006 at a slightly lower average. He was picked on weight of runs. If Foster dramatically outscored him, you'd have a point, but I think it was pretty clear that Prior was there and thereabouts for a while before he was picked. I'm not arguing that Foster is the better option. Alls I'm saying is that Prior deserved the call-up, given that England wanted a batsman-wicketkeeper.

    Mark Ramprakash isn't in the team because he's played several Tests and failed to average over 30. Oh yea, and he's almost 40! There's a huge difference. I'm a big fan of Ramprakash (I saw him score a ton against the Aussies in 2001) but I can understand the reasons why he would not be selected now. It's an entirely different situation to Prior. Matt Prior has played three Test series and scored runs in 2 of the 3. He's hardly been a failure. Yes, he hasn't caught stunningly, but I maintain that catching was a secondary consideration when he was selected. Just like Geraint Jones. It's the wrong approach, but it's been the England approach.


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    I wonder if there was any temptation within the selection meetings to cut this 'generation' of wicket keepers out altogether and bring in young Steven Davies?

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    Would prefer Mustard to Davies. Davies isn't ready. And Mustard won't amount to much, so I wouldn't mind seeing him wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoggz View Post
    I wonder if there was any temptation within the selection meetings to cut this 'generation' of wicket keepers out altogether and bring in young Steven Davies?
    Probably went through there minds, but it could have a negative affect on him and ruin him as a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoggz View Post
    I wonder if there was any temptation within the selection meetings to cut this 'generation' of wicket keepers out altogether and bring in young Steven Davies?
    Would be a horrible idea. Just when someone looks like they might be the genuine article, throw them in too young.

    Davies' form so far in his career has been encouraging, but not yet compelling. The minute it starts to be, hopefully within a year or two, he should be in there. And with any luke then we actually will have an Alec Stewart for the next 15 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    Would prefer Mustard to Davies. Davies isn't ready. And Mustard won't amount to much, so I wouldn't mind seeing him wasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    I feel it should also be noted that Panesar has made way for Tredwell in the ODI squad, Phil Mustard is still in the Test squad (and therefore is he perhaps number one?!) and that unsurprisingly Ravi Bopara has been disposed of from the Test boys.
    From BBC Sport - Graveney - who revealed he had been unable to contact Prior - said that Ambrose, who scored 858 runs in last year's Championship at an average of 45.15, would start as first-choice keeper in Tests and Mustard in the one-dayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Arrow View Post
    From BBC Sport - Graveney - who revealed he had been unable to contact Prior - said that Ambrose, who scored 858 runs in last year's Championship at an average of 45.15, would start as first-choice keeper in Tests and Mustard in the one-dayers.
    More madness from the selectors. Why not try to keep a bit of consistency?

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    Well it's fairly transparent - Ambrose replaces Prior, Mustard is only ever in the Test squad because he's already been there for ODIs.

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    Well guys... the next bombshell is, yes, Andrew Flintoff is to join the party... as a specialist batsman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Well guys... the next bombshell is, yes, Andrew Flintoff is to join the party... as a specialist batsman.

    He's to join the Lions Party. Not the full test squad unless they've changed their minds from earlier.

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