Who is the best left arm spinner of the world?

[steds]

That one was only half joke itbt.

 

[marc71178]

The poor man's AA for me.

 

[grecian]

Vettori, as it has been for ages now.

It made me sick how Panesar has a decent series or two, nothin spectacular & Fletcher (amongst others, Botham etc) instantly declared him the best in the world.

All the idiots had forgotten vettori, ]who had the injuries & has to bowl half his deliveries on freezing cold green tops ...which seemingly wasn't taken into account.

Whilst of course england is a tropical paradise.

Anywhoo, I voted Rafique, but they're all a bit meh, tbh.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Panesar is extremely over rated in ODIs for mine, however undoubtedly a good (nothing more) Test bowler.

Vettori is the exact opposite, though he's a better ODI bowler than Panesar is a Test bowler.

Rafique overall > both IMO.

 

[adharcric]

Enamul Jr is the best for me.......he will achieve a lot more than any other in the list including Vettori........Infact even now he is a better spinner than Rafique and Razzak who are doing pretty good in the WC.....he will be Bangladesh's equivalent of Muralitharan

Ashraful is the next Ponting and Mortaza is the next Ambrose, right?

 

[cricman]

Ashraful is the next Ponting and Mortaza is the next Ambrose, right?

I can dream can't I? I Like Jr alot in Test Cricket Razzak <<< Jr, he's a finger spinner and he has the ability to rip the ball.

 

[age_master]

Vettori is definately the pick of the bunch. Rafique i would probably rate the 2nd best. Hogg is right up there in the ODI's but doesn't play test cricket so he cant really be compared.

 

[TT Boy]

I voted for Murali Kartik by accident.

 

[Perm]

None of the bowlers really stand out to me. Adams, Giles, Rehman, Mohammed and Karthik can't even make their national sides at the moment while guys like Hogg and Razzaq (at the moment) are ODI specialists. So really it comes down to Vettori, Panesar and Rafique.

Panesar hasn't had much exposure at either Test or ODI level to judge him properly yet, but without a doubt he definately posesses talent and enthusiasm. Once he gets a bit more of a run for England then we will be able to judge him more accurately. Rafique has been playing for a long time now and while his figures aren't very impressive, he has been Bangladesh's best bowler for a significant length of time. However this also hurts his chances because not many of his performances have lead to wins and playing in a minnow side doesn't allow him to be ranked the best, IMO.

So then it comes down to Vettori who isn't spectacular by any means but who quite clearly wins this poll by a long way. Although New Zealand don't play much Test cricket, he's still one of the first names on the team sheet in both forms of the game. His ODI bowling is incredibly economical, whilst not being a huge wicket taker. Easily the best Slow Left Armer of the current bunch.

 

[Dan]

I voted Vettori, but Hogg and Razzak were pretty close, but Vettori is a very good test bowler as well as a good ODI one

 

[James90]

Rzzak still bends his a arm a lot while bowling. But it is 12 degrees and that is less than the allowed 15 degrees.

He was reported once a couple of years back cause then the limit was 10 degress I think.

People like Harbhajan, Shaoib Malik and Muralitharan bend as much as Razzak. But they all bend less than 15 degrees.

I'm almost certain that Razzak's arm was 21 degrees when he was first reported and he then fixed it up.

 

[tigerPassion]

I'm almost certain that Razzak's arm was 21 degrees when he was first reported and he then fixed it up.

I think you are wrong about that.

An article from New Age Bd(Sep 26th '04) that was posted in Bangla Cricket Forum.

Reported left-arm spinner Abdur Razzak might have to face a massive task for making a comeback in the international circuit as a radical change to his bowling action is needed for his deliveries to be valid, according to sources at the Bangladesh Cricket Board.

One of the advisers, who read the report, informed it was assumed that only the faster deliveries of Razzak were faulty but according to the report some of his normal deliveries were illegal too.

Another high official confirmed that Razzak has to go a long way before returning to the national fold as his bowling-arm bends too much than the allowable limit.

The International Cricket Council is sometimes flexible in its application of the rule against the bowlers. A fast bowler is allowed to bend his arm 10 degrees, a medium pacer 7.5 degrees and the limit is 5 degrees for the slow bowlers and spinners while making the delivery.

On the other hand, the adviser informed Razzak bends his arm 12 degrees, almost two and a half degrees more than the ICC-stipulated limit. Some reports revealed that Sri Lankan spinner Muralitharan flexes his arm through 14 degrees while bowling the �doosra�.
However, Razzak needs a total change to his bowling action as some of his normal deliveries are also illegal. After having a two-week long examination on his action at Birmingham, England, Razzak retuned home some weeks ago after getting a positive assurance.

Bangladesh Cricket Board perhaps would support Razzak to the last though there are plenty of left-arm spinners waiting in the wings. Another question also arises as to how long Razzak would be able to keep his patience knowing the harsh truth.

In the meantime, the Bangladesh Cricket Board will hold its first meeting on Razzak today to set a course of action for him. He has already been asked to join the national camp at the Army Stadium today. His suspect bowling action forced him out of the 21-member preliminary squad declared three days ago but the opportunity will keep in touch with the BCB. He will also help the batsmen in practice sessions by his bowling.

�Naturally I am a bit frustrated for not having a place in the squad. I know it�s natural as my bowling action needs to be rectified but being out of cricket is painful,� Razzak told New Age.

�Chief selector Faruque Ahmed and regular captain Habibul Bashar contacted me and told me to join the camp,� added the 26-year-old talented spinner from Khulna. �I don�t know what my exact problem is. Perhaps I will know everything after joining the camp,� concluded Razzak.

The left-arm spinner attracted the attention of the Bangladesh cricket bosses in 2001-2002 season while playing in the premier league for the Biman Bangladesh team. In the following season he bowled even better and was considered as one the best left-arm spinners of Bangladesh cricket. However, his bowling action was doubtful from the very beginning of his career.

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This is what you posted in that thread

"Tough break for the guy but it's best that it's fixed early in his career however I'm afraid that with a normal action Razzaq will never be good enough to reclaim his place in the national team"

 

[tigerPassion]

I hope you are also aware of the rule change which now allows all bowlers to bend their arm fifteen degrees.

 

[shortpitched713]

Oh, and Dasgupta. It's because he's pretty much God. He's got it all. The awesome chinaman bowling; the dashing good looks and that suave moustache; the cavalier lower order batting; the coolest name in the world; the hard-luck, getting beat on by the man story. Gun cricketer and coolest bloke.

Cricinfo page? Can't find it for some reason.

 

[Perm]

Cricinfo page? Can't find it for some reason.

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52490.html

 

[shortpitched713]

Panesar is extremely over rated in ODIs for mine, however undoubtedly a good (nothing more) Test bowler.

Vettori is the exact opposite, though he's a better ODI bowler than Panesar is a Test bowler.

Rafique overall > both IMO.

I'd say Vettori is underrated in Tests. Doesn't have the best averages but he bowls plenty of overs and gets big wicket hauls playing a lot against Sri Lanka recently.

And I don't think theres any way that Rafique can be considered better than Vettori.

 

[shortpitched713]

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52490.html

Haha, was trying to look up a left arm spinner named Dasgupta. Didn't know steds was reffering to the legendary Dave.

 

[Burgey]

TBH, unless you have equipment to measure every delivery he bowls out in the middle, there is no way for you to know that.

That's right, which is why the rule, even now, is ridiculous, but let's not go there for fear of a bloodbath.

If McGill doesn't aim up next year, wouldn't be surprised to see Hoggy play a few tests, tbh. WOuld add a fair amount of depth to the bating as well. Good fielder too.

 

[Perm]

That's right, which is why the rule, even now, is ridiculous, but let's not go there for fear of a bloodbath.

If McGill doesn't aim up next year, wouldn't be surprised to see Hoggy play a few tests, tbh. WOuld add a fair amount of depth to the bating as well. Good fielder too.

I wouldn't think so, his FC record is pretty poor, definately nothing to indicate he is good enough for Test cricket. I'd say the selectors would go with a young spinner or even go in with 4 fast bowlers.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah, he's actually on the poll. Rehman.

yep, he is the one. I really have high hopes for him, IF they let him play more often.


Him and Kaneria can form a pretty good spin partnership in tests, methinks.