Marlon Samuels caught talking to bookies

Dravid · 07-02-2007, 01:31 PM

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indv...ry/279474.html

He even admits he knew the guy, but he says he didn't know he was a bookie

Turbinator · 07-02-2007, 01:34 PM

Yeah was just gonna' make this thread... Here's another article on this...

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1577784.cms

BoyBrumby · 07-02-2007, 01:39 PM

Dearie, dearie me.

"Naive" is one word. "****ing stupid" are two more.

pasag · 07-02-2007, 01:40 PM

Sigh.

Richard · 07-02-2007, 01:42 PM

When I read the title of this thread I thought Hakon had been caught with his hands in the till...

Surprised at you for not complaining, DB...

Oh, yeah...

EDIT: now that it's been corrected: it did read "Samuel caught... etc."

silentstriker · 07-02-2007, 01:48 PM

Uh-oh.

Bodyline has nothing on Match Fixing as the biggest issue to ever hit cricket.

silentstriker · 07-02-2007, 01:49 PM

Just to say though, its not really match 'fixing'.

"Amitesh Kumar, Nagpur's deputy police commissioner, said that Samuels was tapped giving information about the batting line-up and the bowling order.. He however said that the police had "no evidence about financial commitment made." The team details included the line-up and the bowling order, Kumar said."

Its more akin to what Waugh did.

silentstriker · 07-02-2007, 01:50 PM

I'd characterize it as 'bookie-helping'

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PhoenixFire · 07-02-2007, 01:51 PM

Tbh, I can't see how the bookie knowing the batting line-up will help in a very big way at all.

PY · 07-02-2007, 01:55 PM

I was going to say, if there's no financial gain then it's stupid not illegal.

Here's a question, where does the line get drawn where a player's insider opinion of the lineup becomes giving information he shouldn't be giving?

Dravid · 07-02-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentstriker

I'd characterize it as 'bookie-helping'

.

Did you really need 3 posts?

silentstriker · 07-02-2007, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravid

Did you really need 3 posts?

We will never know.

Dravid · 07-02-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PY

I was going to say, if there's no financial gain then it's stupid not illegal.

Here's a question, where does the line get drawn where a player's insider opinion of the lineup becomes giving information he shouldn't be giving?

I think it's not that serious to give out a line up. But my question is, why would a bookie want to get out the lineup out of a player. Line ups 9 out of 10 times is what everyone else thinks it will be. I highly doubt thats all there is to this.

Goughy · 07-02-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Bodyline has nothing on Match Fixing as the biggest issue to ever hit cricket.

Well of course. To be very English for a second, Bodyline was not against the rules and nothing wrong took place. Was only an issue due to the crying Aussies.

On the actual topic. Sounds dumb and unfortunate.

BTW, The reason (possibly 1 of a few) why bookies pay for mundane information that the general public probably already knows is

a) all information is an advantage and setting a line is an artform and a tiny bit of info is a help

and mainly

b) the player thinks "this is easy cash for nothing" and then the bookie requests get more intrusive. This kind of payment is a way to suck players in. It is just too easy for players to give banal info and before they know it they are giving more.

Pratters · 07-02-2007, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

Tbh, I can't see how the bookie knowing the batting line-up will help in a very big way at all.

Bets are made not just on who would win or lose but on loads of other things in cricket. What would the line up be can mean for certainty the bookie knows what the XI would be, who would open, etc.

On what PY said btw, even if there is no financial gain, some thing can be illegal apart from being stupid.

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07-02-2007, 01:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Turbinator International Captain Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,493	Yeah was just gonna' make this thread... Here's another article on this... http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1577784.cms

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silentstriker The Wheel is Forever Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 36,542	Uh-oh. Bodyline has nothing on Match Fixing as the biggest issue to ever hit cricket.

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silentstriker The Wheel is Forever Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 36,542	Just to say though, its not really match 'fixing'. "Amitesh Kumar, Nagpur's deputy police commissioner, said that Samuels was tapped giving information about the batting line-up and the bowling order.. He however said that the police had "no evidence about financial commitment made." The team details included the line-up and the bowling order, Kumar said." Its more akin to what Waugh did.

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silentstriker The Wheel is Forever Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 36,542	I'd characterize it as 'bookie-helping' .

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