One Day XI of the year 2005

[greg]

As i see it, every team has to have 3 frontline pace bowlers as a minimum, to cover the powerplay and death overs. Beyond that, two spinners are a luxury that can only be afforded if one of your pace bowlers is a proper allrounder or if one of the spinners is an allrounder/part-timer. Even then, the lack of flexibility that this would involve would make it a big risk unless you had one or two other part-timers to fill in as necessary.

 

[Zinzan]

As i see it, every team has to have 3 frontline pace bowlers as a minimum, to cover the powerplay and death overs. Beyond that, two spinners are a luxury that can only be afforded if one of your pace bowlers is a proper allrounder or if one of the spinners is an allrounder/part-timer. Even then, the lack of flexibility that this would involve would make it a big risk unless you had one or two other part-timers to fill in as necessary.

Unless it was played on a complete dry dust bed of course

 

[greg]

Unless it was played on a complete dry dust bed of course

Of course. Although on complete dry dust beds you don't need to be a frontline spinner to be effective. As Sri Lanka have shown on numerous occasions. But that cannot really be taken into account for a generic "best" team. For every "dry dust bed", I could give you a green seamer.

 

[NZTailender]

Dhoni ahead of Gilchrist but keep Vincent. He has been pretty consistent this year.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Lee over Bond or Muralitharan for me.

 

[aussie]

because I think he's a better ODI bowler than Lee...as well as having better stats for the year...lee played against some crap teams too....bangledesh included

ok other than Bangladesh which other crap team did he play? anyways i dont think you can give me a good reason why Bond is a better ODI bowler than Lee, plus he if your picking a 2005 team Lee HAS to be picked, dont let you Kiwi instincts take over...

 

[Run like Inzy]

Lee v Bond 2005:
Bond season 2005/06 9 14 9* 14.00 0 0 17 6/19 18.00 1 1 0
2 matches against Zimbabwe 4 wickets @ 8.00
2 matches against India 7 wickets @ 9.00
5 matches against South Africa 6 wickets @ 35.16

Lee
season 2004/05 15 109 38* 36.33 0 0 30 4/38 19.93 0 4 0
season 2005 8 39 21* 39.00 0 0 14 5/41 22.07 1 0 0
season 2005/06 5 26 26* 26.00 0 0 11 4/30 18.00 0 1 0
Last 29 Games
v Bangladesh 2 - - - - - 4 2/36 24.50 0 0 0
v England 7 54 21* 27.00 0 0 12 5/41 23.00 1 0 0
v ICC World XI 3 26 26* - 0 0 7 4/30 15.42 0 0 0
v New Zealand 9 22 10* 11.00 0 0 18 3/5 19.27 0 3 0
v Pakistan 5 49 22 24.50 0 0 8 3/23 29.62 0 1 0
v West Indies 3 38 38* - 0 0 8 4/38 13.00 0 1 0

Thus Lee has played more often got more wickets against more difficult oppositions regularly. Also Lee has improved his batting considerably.
Bond has made a remarkable comeback but hasn't made is mark in a way which you could justify him being the fast bowler of the year. The fact that he didnt play for half the year (only 9 out of a possible 18 games) rules him out of the team anyway IMO.

 

[luckyeddie]

Again, I think you'll find there are others

I would not dispute the fact that Bond would be in an ODI team of the year (I'd love to see him, Lee and Shoaib in the same side), but to describe his achievements as superior to those of Brett Lee in 2005 is somewhat wide of the mark.

(In my opinion, anyway)

 

[age_master]

Lee over Bond

yeah i dont think Bond has played enough this year to push for selection really.

 

[age_master]

Michael Clarke would have to be close to making it too, he averaged a slightly under 50 for the year i think

 

[marc71178]

LOL ....look at the figures dude

Lee:

v Bangladesh 2 16 98 4 2/36 2/62 24.50 6.12 24.0 0 0
v England 6 52 211 10 5/41 2/27 21.10 4.05 31.2 0 1
v ICC World XI 3 24.3 108 7 4/30 2/31 15.42 4.40 21.0 1 0
v New Zealand 7 59 259 14 3/5 3/41 18.50 4.38 25.2 0 0
v Pakistan 5 47.2 237 8 3/23 2/54 29.62 5.00 35.5 0 0
v West Indies 3 27 104 8 4/38 3/36 13.00 3.85 20.2 1 0

Bond:

v India 2 18.3 63 7 6/19 1/44 9.00 3.40 15.8 0 1
v South Africa 5 38.5 211 6 2/42 2/50 35.16 5.43 38.8 0 0
v Zimbabwe 2 12 32 4 4/17 - 8.00 2.66 18.0 1 0

That'll be a no-brainer then.

 

[marc71178]

I think you'll find there are a few others dude

Kiwis no doubt.

 

[marc71178]

If i was going to drop a spinner to include LEE, it would be Murali , as he and Vettori have pretty even stats for bowling in 2005, but vettori is the superior batsmen and fielder

But ignore the one who actually the better bowler?

 

[andyc]

Says Peter Roebuck for a test team for 2005:

Matthew Hayden
Marcus Trescothick
Ricky Ponting
Brian Lara
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Jacques Kallis
Andrew Flintoff
Tatenda Taibu+
Shane Warne
Makhaya Ntini
Glenn McGrath

12th man: Irfan Pathan

The only choices that struck me as odd were Taibu (but he averaged 43.36 this year) and Ntini, although Roebuck did explain that there weren't many options for pace bowlers.

 

[Zinzan]

My Oneday World XI for the year 2005 is.....

I provided their stats for the year...

GILCHRIST - Batting ave 35 Batting SR 103
VINCENT - Batting ave 48 Batting SR 108
INZAMAM (c)- Batting ave 55 Batting SR 89
PIETERSEN- Batting ave 65 Batting SR 103
HUSSEY - Batting ave 146 Batting SR 108
SYMONDS - Batting ave 41 Batting SR 91 Bowling ave 39 ER 4.81
STYRIS - Batting ave 39 Batting SR 74 Bowling ave 31 ER 4.23
VETTORI- Batting ave 21 Batting SR 98 Bowling ave 27 ER 3.93
BOND - Bowling ave 18 Bowling ER 4.41
MURALI - Bowling ave 26 ER 3.98
McGRATH - Bowling ave 19 Bowling ER 3.65


Super sub Lee/Kemp

It might seem a suprise that Styris beats allrounders Flintoff/Kemp and Pollock. But his stats for the year were better.

This team has very strong deep batting and has Styris and Symonds sharing the 5th Bowling slots.

Thoughts??

If you have alternatives, please provide their 2005 stats as part of your argument

Good arguments given have convinced me to change the above 2005 ODI team to ......

Vincent
Dhoni
Inzazman
Pietersen
Hussey
Styris
Symonds
Vettori
Lee
Bond
Mcgrath

 

[thierry henry]

I'd just like to say, as a Kiwi, that based on 2005 achievements picking Bond is an embarrassing example of bias.

Good to see Styris get a mention though. One of the best ODI all-rounders in the world- believe it.

 

[Blaze]

How did Lee do better in 2005 apart from the fact he played more games??

Oh come on, Lee did so much more than Bond in 2005. Remove your NZ bias.

 

[marc71178]

The selection of someone very boosted by 1 knock against Zimbabwe is a strange one as well.

 

[honestbharani]

why not have both Gilchrist and Dhoni in the side and super sub one of them out later?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

why not have both Gilchrist and Dhoni in the side and super sub one of them out later?

Indeed. I'd put Gilchrist in opening.

The other problem with zinzan's side in my opinion is that there is little consideration given to when people are best suited to batting, which is a much more important thing in ODI cricket. I don't think you can have Styris batting at 7... it's just not a great position for his style of player, and Symonds too benefits from batting higher up the order, while Inzamam and Pietersen usually bat lower, as does Dhoni. There's no natural number 3 in the team, and it's lacking in openers a bit as well.