Golden Oldies vs Gilded Youth

[GIMH]

Is Ryan Harris fit? I'd have him over Vettori

 

[Howe_zat]

Hard to find a fault with your conclusion, Brumby, thanks to the difference in bowlers. The young'uns would also have Morkel in reserve.

Can we not find a place for Tendulkar? KP would likely be the one to go, though. I would also try to squeeze Dilshan in there if I could.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Is Ryan Harris fit? I'd have him over Vettori

Yeah, fair call. He's in Oz's test squad for SL.

Had overlooked him completely, tbh. Apologies Rhino.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Misbah should be in the over 30 squad. He is 37 and is in phenomenal form.

 

[marc71178]

In place of who though?

 

[Jono]

Another dig for this to see if youth or experience would hold sway.

Think currently I'd be looking at something like this:

Under 30 XI

1) AN Cook (26)
2) G Gambhir (29)
3) HM Amla (28)
4) LRPL Taylor* (27)
5) IR Bell (29)
6) AB de Villiers (27)
7) MJ Prior+ (29)
8) SCJ Broad (25)
9) Shakib Al Hasan (24)
10) DW Steyn (28)
11) JM Anderson (29)

30 & Over XI

1) GC Smith* (30)
2) SR Watson (30)
3) R Dravid (38)
4) JH Kallis (35)
5) KC Sangakkara (33)
6) KP Pietersen (31)
7) BJ Haddin+ (33)
8) DL Vettori (32)
9) GP Swann (32)
10) DE Bollinger (30)
11) CS Martin (36)

Haven't considered injured players or else Zak and Sehwag would be mortals for the over 30s.

Genuinely struggling for seamers for the old men, but Watson and Kallis can send down a few. Few months & Tremmers and Mitch will be eligible tho.

I'd take the under 30s, myself.

Brumby writing off Sachin again after one series, even in an over 30 XI?

I don't see how you can have Sanga over Sachin. They both had a relatively poor England series. Except Sachin's 18-24 months before that was better, including winning test player of the year. Surely he makes an over 30 team.

 

[Howe_zat]

Also, shakib down at 9 seems unfair. Should bat ahead of Broad. In fact, drop Taylor, play Prior & Shakib at 6&7 and play Morkel.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Brumby writing off Sachin again after one series, even in an over 30 XI?

I don't see how you can have Sanga over Sachin. They both had a relatively poor England series. Except Sachin's 18-24 months before that was better, including winning test player of the year. Surely he makes an over 30 team.

He has a case, obvz. But one can only pick so many batsmen & he doesn't look in great nick just now. There's also no Ponting, Clarke, Trott, Jayawardene, Chanderpaul, Laxman, etc.

& Sanga did score a ton in a game that was saved too.

 

[Jono]

And Dravid scored 3 tons in losses too. I kid of course.

Fair enough, I guess we disagree in terms of how much weight you're putting into the last two months. I generally make combined XIs over a minimum of 12-18 months, especially considering how some countries play more cricket than others at certain points of time.

 

[Spark]

Also, shakib down at 9 seems unfair. Should bat ahead of Broad. In fact, drop Taylor, play Prior & Shakib at 6&7 and play Morkel.

Assuming Broad maintains form, Steyn/Anderson/Morkel/Broad is one of the most hilariously overpowered pace attacks you could ever see.

 

[wpdavid]

Assuming Broad maintains form, Steyn/Anderson/Morkel/Broad is one of the most hilariously overpowered pace attacks you could ever see.

Quite like old times

And it would have been an even tougher call if Asif & Aamir hadn't got themselves banned.

I'm astonished at the lack of quality quicks in the over 30s though. They'd do better if it was a one-day side, with Lee and Gul coming into contention.

 

[TT Boy]

Quite like old times

And it would have been an even tougher call if Asif & Aamir hadn't got themselves banned.

I'm astonished at the lack of quality quicks in the over 30s though. They'd do better if it was a one-day side, with Lee and Gul coming into contention.

Umar Gul | Pakistan Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Howe_zat]

Gul has kids more likely to be 27 than him.

 

[TT Boy]

Gul has kids more likely to be 27 than him.

No question and I have no doubts Abdul Razzaq is closer to 40 than 30 and if you believe former Pakistan coach Geoff Lawson, Afridi is somewhere between 35 and 40.

 

[smash84]

yeah most Pakistani cricketers have their wrong ages given. You'll see it less often now since the country is switching to more electronic forms of documentation

 

[JBMAC]

"Many a good tune is played on an old fiddle". Having said that over 30 does not mean over the hill and ready for retirement. Colin Cowdrey and Bobby Simpson are living proof of that. So I think I would have to back "the oldies" purely for sentimental reasons.I stopped playing Grade myself at 42 when off drives became late cuts

 

[Howe_zat]

Under 30s

Dave Warner (28)
Kane Williamson (24)
Steve Smith (26)
Virat Kohli (28)
Joe Root (24)
Angelo Mathews (28) / Shakib Al Hasan (28)
Sarfraz Ahmed (28)
Stuart Broad (29)
Tim Southee (26)
Yasir Shah (29)
Trent Boult (26)


Over 30s

Alistair Cook (30)
Chris Rogers (53)
Hashim Amla (32)
Michael Clarke (34)
Younis Khan (37)
AB De Villiers (31)
BJ Watling (30)
Mitchell Johnson (33)
Rangana Herath (37)
Dale Steyn (32)
James Anderson (32)

High profile retirements in the last four years - Test cricket no longer has Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Pietersen, Kallis, Smith, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Chanderpaul, Harris, Ajmal, Swann, Vettori or Dhoni. The over 30s still a tough batting lineup to crack thanks to recent graduations over the 30 mark.

 

[The Battlers Prince]

Current English top order dilemmas brings Pieterson back.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Chris Rogers (53)

Heh.

But I'd have Murali Vijay in there for him.

 

[Howe_zat]

Under 30s

1. Mayank Agarwal (29)
2. Kane Williamson (29)
3. Babar Azam (26)
4. Joe Root (29)
5. Marnus Labuschagne (26)
6. Ben Stokes (29)
7. Quinton de Kock (27)
8. Jason Holder (28)
9. Pat Cummins (27)
10. Kagiso Rabada (25)
11. Jasprit Bumrah (27)

Over 30s

1. David Warner (33)
2. Dimuth Karunaratne (32)
3. Cheteshwar Pujara (32)
4. Steve Smith (31)
5. Virat Kohli (32)
6. Ross Taylor (36)
7. BJ Watling (34)
8. Ravi Ashwin (34)
9. Neil Wagner (34)
10. Mitchell Starc (30)
11. James Anderson (37)

Most spinners I could think of were over the 30 mark except Rashid Khan and a handful of other blokes with not many tests. The ICC rankings are very favourable to fast bowlers right now. Not sure if I should have found room in the young side for Tom Latham.