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  • Shane Warne

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  • Jack Hobbs

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  • Vivian Richards

    5 8.93%
  • Garfield Sobers

    14 25.00%
  • Donald Bradman

    31 55.36%
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Thread: Vote for the greatest of Wisden's five cricketers of the century

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Oh i dont think Sobers is the best newball bowler ever.....far from it..but it sure speaks volumes when he is the one taking a first bite at the cherry ahead of a bowler like Hall, who in the late 50s and 60s was possibly only behind Trueman as the best pace bowler.
    But that means nothing now, cause it was so long ago, right?

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    Bradman's a choker.
    Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc
    But that means nothing now, cause it was so long ago, right?
    I wouldnt take him over McGrath or Marshall or even Lillee as a newball bowler but we are talkin about two individuals, one from the 30s/40s and the other from the late 50s to mid 70s.

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    Bradman ... no one will come close to his Test average of 99.94. How can you argue against that ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by burkey_1988
    Bradman ... no one will come close to his Test average of 99.94. How can you argue against that ?

    Its a damn sight more frustrating, when someone pops into a thread and shoots off , derailing the conversation without having read anything posted so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Err.... according to Hall, Sobers was the best fricking new-ball bowler EVER.
    Have you seen him bowl to Boycott ? I saw him bowl to Boycott, taking the ball ahead of Hall or Griffiths and Boycott missed every single ball for 3 overs straight. I think it speaks volumes about his fast-medium bowling callibre that he often was given the new ball over Wes Hall/Charlie Griffiths.

    Sobers's career average was ruined when he took to bowling spin near the end of the innings, trying to buy a wicket and tossing it up all the time, mostly because he was too tired to bowl pace.... if Sobers didnt have his batting responsibilities, i dont have a doubt that he would've matched quiete a few 'great bowlers' in terms of their average.

    And Bradman was a decent fielder ? Please..... he was a decent catcher... nobody from that era was a decent fielder and nobody before Colin Bland and Gary Sobers knew anything apart from running behind the ball and bending down to pick it up when it slowed/stopped.
    The few clips i've seen of bradman, he makes Ganguly look like Jonty Rhodes in the field.

    I know what you think of my theory but i have not heard anything apart from optimistic conjencture to try and prove it otehrwise.
    Sobers stopped playing Test Cricket in the early 70s (have not looked it up) that is over 30 years ago, so if we follow your theory, then surely Kallis is the greatest player in the history of Cricket? On his figures and with your theory of improvment. If not why not Sobers started in the 50s only ten years after Bradman but according to you he is well ahead, because of the huge improvment, in that time frame.
    You know it makes sense.

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    One of the more meaningless polls we've ever had, and where the only obvious choice will not win.

    Bradman was in all likelihood the greatest batsman who ever lived, a man head and shoulders above his counterparts and one who still deserves to be talked about in hushed, reverential tones.

    Not the greatest cricketer, though. In my mind, in order to qualify as 'The Greatest of Wisden's Five Cricketers of the Century', you have to be more than a 'mere' batsman.

    Sobers was a world-class new-ball bowler, a considerable wrist-spinner, a pretty fine finger-spinner, an excellent slip, the greatest leg-slip I have ever seen and utterly imperious with a bat in his hand. It's almost certain that maintaining the highest level in any one discipline was to the detrement of everything else, too. I'm pretty sure that if he had decided to give up the twirlies, he'd have been an even better batsman or seamer - and vice-versa.

    In short, the greatest all-rounder by a long, long way.
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    Bradman

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    I have ignored this thread for some time, assuming it was a bit of a joke.

    Bradman then daylight.

    The more pertinant question, if you are ok with comparing eras, should be comparing sporting codes, is bradman the greatest sportsmen ever ??

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    Bradman's a choker.

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    Sobers by far. Bradman is the greatest batsman, not the greatest cricketer.
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    Whether he was being modest or whatever when Bradman himself chose his team of the century the first name he penciled down was Sobers such was his respect for Sobers' mastery of all of cricket's basic skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Oh and another thing - Jack Hobbs wasnt in the list, Tendulkar was.
    Might want to make an edit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burkey_1988
    Bradman ... no one will come close to his Test average of 99.94. How can you argue against that ?
    I can't believe he got a first ball nought, his average went just below 100, then he actually carried out his decision to retire.

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    everyone who's voted for sobers thinks they're the man. they think they come in and have some awesome kind of cricketing knowledge and that they're all genius's.

    But no one has come close to Bradman's batting avg and many all rounders have come closer to Sobers as an all rounder. Imran Khan avged 12 less with the ball and only 20 less with the bat putting him statistically 8 runs less valuable player than Khan.

    As Age said it wasn't Bradman's role to be an all rounder in the team. That's the beauty of cricket C_C there are different things in case u hadn't noticed. some people bat and some people bowl and some people do both. But to compare someone to Bradman just cos they can do both (one very well and one ok) is just not on.
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