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    Which doosra was better?

    Saqlain's or Murali's?

    I actually preferred Saqqie's, as he was the originator.

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    Murali's by a country mile and half.
    And Saqqi wasnt the originator of the doosra.

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    Murali has the best thrown doosra I've ever seen
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    yeah totally agree LE

    my doosra is quiet good...with a bend arm
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Murali's by a country mile and half.
    And Saqqi wasnt the originator of the doosra.
    Who was?

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    Murali was.

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    The doosra has been bowled by Erapalli Prasanna and Sonny Ramadhin before.......i cant find an instance of the doosra being bowled before Ramadhin.....therefore as far as i know, Ramadhin is the inventor of the doosra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    The doosra has been bowled by Erapalli Prasanna and Sonny Ramadhin before.......i cant find an instance of the doosra being bowled before Ramadhin.....therefore as far as i know, Ramadhin is the inventor of the doosra.
    Interesting.

    have you ever seen any footage of those two bowling it?

    If so, how would you rate the effectiveness of the delivery compared to the versions exhibited by messrs Muttiah & Saqqy?

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    I have seen Prasanna bowl a couple of times but i've never seen Ramadhin bowl.
    However, i've read about him and the furore he created in England ( alongside Alf Valentine)...and the cause of the 'furore' was this particular delivery that behaved very much like the 'doosra' , causing England to use padding up tactics and promptly change the lbw rules.

    Prasanna's doosra ( from what i've read/heard,since i didnt actually see him bowl the doosra) kicked up and moved a lil bit towards the off side( to the right handed batsman)......not as much as Saqlain's and nowhere as much as Murali's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    I have seen Prasanna bowl a couple of times but i've never seen Ramadhin bowl.
    However, i've read about him and the furore he created in England ( alongside Alf Valentine)...and the cause of the 'furore' was this particular delivery that behaved very much like the 'doosra' , causing England to use padding up tactics and promptly change the lbw rules.

    Prasanna's doosra ( from what i've read/heard,since i didnt actually see him bowl the doosra) kicked up and moved a lil bit towards the off side( to the right handed batsman)......not as much as Saqlain's and nowhere as much as Murali's.
    There was a HUGE furore about Ramadhin's quicker 'arm ball' in exactly the same way that there was about a similar delivery of Tony Lock. It seems that in order for an offie to employ the same amount of witchcraft we have come to associate with the top leggies, there are always going to be questions as to the legitimacy or not of the delivery.

    As for me, I think that both actions were 'questionable' at best, and Tony Lock was 'called' in a test match, of course.

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    What I've read of Ramadhin, they talked about him bowling "well-disguised mixture of off and leg breaks". But did they all come out with an off-spinner's action?

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    As for me, I think that both actions were 'questionable' at best, and Tony Lock was 'called' in a test match, of course.
    I've seen a fair bit of Tony Lock's bowling and 'questionable' is an understatement. 'Deliberate ping at leg-stump' might be more accurate based on what I've seen.

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    We cannot guage on the naked eye , especially from film, which is 2-D mapping of 3-d objects.
    For due to the optical illusion and complex movements of various joints, someone who bends his elbow might seem like a blatent chucker ( Murali) while someone else, who also bends his elbow might seem like a posessor of a pristine action ( McGrath).

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    No one has moved it further away from the batsman consistently on all surfaces than Murali. He has to get it.

    As far as legality goes, the doosra can only be bowled one way call it legal or something stronger

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    No one has moved it further away from the batsman consistently on all surfaces than Murali. He has to get it.

    As far as legality goes, the doosra can only be bowled one way call it legal or something stronger
    Same with every other delivery. You can call it legal or something stronger.
    It is something you cannot challenge, so i suggest a rethink from your part.

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