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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    he has a point, to an extent. harmison has always been considered to be a better bowler against right handers than against left handers and hoggard has always been better at bowling the ball that leaves the right hander than the one that leaves the left hander.
    Personally I find it easier bowling to left handers then right handers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Good to see an English fan who actually thinks England should pick their best bowlers in the ODIs. Playing rubbishy bowlers like Kabir Ali and Wharf just because they can bat a bit is not a good move at all. There's a reason Australia picks four genuine bowlers in their ODI side, including those who are there primarily to take wickets and not just to keep the runs down.
    I think they rate Kabir Ali more than Jones/Hoggard in ODIs, because they tend to leak runs all over the place and never really take wickets, and there's no one to really keep it tight. Though apparently Simon Jones bowled well in a league game against Glamorgan last week - got quite a bit of swing under the lights.

    I'd like to see Jon Lewis given a go in the ODI side instead of all of those though - not sure he'd do much better than Wharf, but he can't do much worse.
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    I'm hoping for a competitive Ashes series, but I don't think it will be, although Harmisson did take a hat-trick the other day, and if he finds form at the right time, he could be a handful for Australia.

    No matter what the English do with the bat in their hands, the only way to win cricket games (without declarations) is by taking wickets, so the bowlers will have to be bowling as a team and all are going to have to be in great form (at once).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    In reference to Vaughan, do you consider him to be a traitor because he was born in Manchester but plays for Yorkshire (I guess he could justify supporting Man Ure if he wanted to or Man Citeh?).
    Not really, because he moved over there with his parents at a young age. If he left for Yorkshire at an age when he should have known better, I'd consider him a traitor then


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    Though apparently Simon Jones bowled well in a league game against Glamorgan last week - got quite a bit of swing under the lights.
    but who was he playing for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steds
    but who was he playing for?
    Um, oops. Brain fade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steds
    Not really, because he moved over there with his parents at a young age. If he left for Yorkshire at an age when he should have known better, I'd consider him a traitor then
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    Also it was a day match, no lights involved - thought there was a lot of rain.

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    BTW some guy in the times was suggesting today that they might go with Flintoff at 7 in the ashes.

    Tresco
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    Key
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    Thorpe
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    Flintoff
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    Giles
    Hoggard
    Harmison

    Its a bit short on bowling but if we get rolled first test i can see it happening

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    It's very short on bowling - would require Vaughan and Pietersen to bowl a lot, because Freddy/Hoggy/Harmy all are bowlers that tire very fast...

    Alternative is picking Bell at three as an all-rounder
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    In order to win a game, you need to take 20 wickets - and that's definitely a bowler short unless Vaughan is looking to turn his arm over himself.

    I'd like to see that side for the last 2 tests if we're 1-0 up in the series, but I sincerely doubt it.

    (unless, of course, the 'Jones' is Simon Jones and Trescothick's going to keep wicket

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    Key's not the answer at 3.

    Why not put Pietersen there? Spank us around while we're still celebrating McGrath's 500?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    It's very short on bowling - would require Vaughan and Pietersen to bowl a lot, because Freddy/Hoggy/Harmy all are bowlers that tire very fast...

    Alternative is picking Bell at three as an all-rounder
    I guess the other alternative (& not one I'd advocate I hasten to add) would be to drop Ash & rely on Vaughan & KP for spin if it were needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy
    Key's not the answer at 3.

    Why not put Pietersen there? Spank us around while we're still celebrating McGrath's 500?
    I suspect Key is being slotted at 3 because all others who are more suitable for the job (Thorpe, Strauss, Vaughan) are not keen on it and Key doesnt matter anyway and is a misfit in a test side so why not at number three

    One drop is the place for the best batsman in the side and if England believe Key is their best...well...they are better of playing Bangladesh

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    Even Butcher's better than Key.



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