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    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Tom View Post
    On the plus side we still scored more in our 1st innings on Boxing Day than the Aussies did last time round. So you know, there;s that.
    yes and australia couldn't even manage one innings victory compared to the 3 that england managed last time around.

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    Pretty crazy how many of these we've had recently. India in England, India in Australia, England in UAE, Australia in India and now England in Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Pretty crazy how many of these we've had recently. India in England, India in Australia, England in UAE, Australia in India and now England in Australia.
    Pretty sure I read something on Cricinfo saying there'd only been two Tests won away from home in 2013, both of which were against Zimbabwe.
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    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theegyptian View Post
    yes and australia couldn't even manage one innings victory compared to the 3 that england managed last time around.
    That's it, keep scraping the barrel for silver linings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Pretty crazy how many of these we've had recently. India in England, India in Australia, England in UAE, Australia in India and now England in Australia.
    Sign of too much cricket being played? Especially considering the same three teams always seem to be involved - not that it's the only reason or even a major one but still.

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    ****ing depressing knowing Flower is going to stay on, it makes me angry listening to the bull**** he has been spouting recently.

    If people think things will sort themselves out under the current regime then they have their heads in the sand, can see it already in this thread with ****e like that 'end of story' post.

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    You can look at every aspect of this tour - the attitude of the players, the fact England arrived as favourites, the 82-page menu - and it all paints a picture of a team which has become far too insular.

    That was illustrated when I put a question to captain Alastair Cook.

    I asked whether the opinions of those outside of the team - those who have played cricket all their lives and have watched the game for years - were worth seeking, and he said no. He said essentially it was for those within the team to work out what has gone wrong. That is a worry to me and shows there is no real awareness of what is happening outside the team's bubble.

    Agnew to Cook, astonishing answer there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooky Monster View Post
    I asked whether the opinions of those outside of the team - those who have played cricket all their lives and have watched the game for years - were worth seeking, and he said no. He said essentially it was for those within the team to work out what has gone wrong. That is a worry to me and shows there is no real awareness of what is happening outside the team's bubble.

    Agnew to Cook, astonishing answer there.
    CM, you have taken that answer out of context. The question was posed before the series had started and Warne was spouting his rubbish. It proved an accurate analysis in hindsight but ridiculous at the time.

    Agnew is having his cake and eating it. He praised that comment as concentration and desire to win four Ashes in a row when it was made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    You've been extremely gentle on Cook in that rather simplistic assessment. Surely he'd have to take some of the load for the mental frailty as the series went on?
    I'm not trying to gloss over the fact that we've come third in a two-horse race this winter, and yes I am simplifying (but that's what happens when you're posting at 5:22am having sat through it for six hours. It's no more simplistic, however that any of the analysis that has either proclaimed us to be on a different level following the 3-0 ("4-0") win in the summer, nor the bunch of incompetents that we are being painted as following the current shellacking.

    It's very, very easy to slate sportsmen after a defeat, and to come up with reasons after the event for why things are not going well, but this game, by its very nature, is far more complicated than that. It's a whole lot more difficult to come up with a cogent plan of action to take things forward; so far I've not seen anything deeper than demands to sack Cook and Flower, as well as dropping half of the side. We got rid of Matt Prior mid-series because he was "not good enough"/"underperforming" and instead we got somebody who is neither close to being good enough with bat nor gloves, and if we follow some of the suggestions going around in the threads I've read (Buttler? Taylor? Mills?) we'll get exactly the same. We've had a run of several years as one of the best teams in the world with this personnel and under this management, and they're not stupid. They know they've underperformed; they know this is well below the standards that we as supporters and they as players want to achieve, and they've done enough in the last years to deserve patience when the wheels come off.

    Why were we mentally exhausted? Schedule must have something to do with it; the human psyche can't continue to function when it's down and beaten and when it has no time to recover and recuperate. Swann's departure is symbolic of that. Flower is continuing; he is as aware as the rest of us that this team was second best, and he gives the indications that he's ready to lead the rebuilding into the next England unit. Some players will need more cricket - and the Lions tour - others will need a total break. Those calling for Cook's head need to present an alternative. Australia have got inside our heads and we've had nowhere to go; this was a whitewash that was coming the moment Brisbane came to its undignified end.

    I am not for a moment saying we bury our heads in the sand and carry on as we are: selection (Finn, Tremlett, Rankin), the effect of the specialist coaches Saker and Gooch, whose effect seems to have gone stale since the halcyon summer of 2011, captaincy and particularly field placing and strategy were flawed, but they didn't want to lose. They didn't stop trying - why would they stop trying? - they were just battered, bruised, beaten and broken. They don't become bad players overnight, though, and they deserve the chance to build again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    I am not for a moment saying we bury our heads in the sand and carry on as we are: selection (Finn, Tremlett, Rankin)
    As much as I agree that the selection has been a joke for this double series, Finn and Tremlett are a strange duo to bring up as I think for this tour they were both fair game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    As much as I agree that the selection has been a joke for this double series, Finn and Tremlett are a strange duo to bring up as I think for this tour they were both fair game.
    All three have toured as glorified drinks waiters; Tremlett was down on pace - massively so - and it has to be a worry that we didn't even seem to realise that until after Brisbane, when the chat all season was that he was a shadow of his former self. I mentioned Finn from the perspective of the fact that he's apparently regressed over the last year, and that it's hard to follow his place in the pecking order.

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    What's your beef with James Taylor, ****?
    Bottom hand dominance, lack of shots on the offside, likelihood of nicking off like a cheap George Bailey impersonator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    What's your beef with James Taylor, ****?
    I do hope it's nothing to do with the fact that he is short....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Much like India in England and Australia and Australia in India once the tide has turned against you it is almost impossible to stop it.

    Has to be serious questions asked about the gutless displays in the last couple of tests though, being beaten is one thing but showing no fight is unacceptable.

    Raises the question whether 4 or 5 match Test series are really worth it for certain nations playing overseas, when the contest is often so one-sided and very predictable. Maybe the dead-rubbers should be called off just like the VB series
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    I seem to be in a minority of one in this belief but I don't think Tremlett was terrible in the game he played.
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