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slippy888 27-12-2010 07:32 AM

Phil Jaques
 
Where did he go, the guy scored a test match century the last test match he played back in 2008 against the west indies, surely he is a better option than Hughes and Smith.

King Pietersen 27-12-2010 07:38 AM

Not averaged over 40 in a season since 07/08. Is averaging 20.41 this season, only managed an average of 31 in England last year.

Goughy 27-12-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by King Pietersen (Post 2423612)
Not averaged over 40 in a season since 07/08. Is averaging 20.41 this season, only managed an average of 31 in England last year.

As he said, "a better option than Hughes and Smith"

M0rphin3 27-12-2010 09:01 AM

Hughes>Jaques imo.

Woodster 27-12-2010 12:23 PM

Jaques' form has been particularly poor for a man of his ability. Would be unfair on him, perhaps as it has been on Hughes, to be selected for Test cricket when your confidence must be pretty low. I have always regarded Jaques as one of Australia's best options since Langer retired, but he simply hasn't backed up his talent with anything like good enough consistent performances in Australia or here in England.

Chris Rogers is another genuine opener of some talent, but has been overlooked despite a succession of very good seasons. A man that knows how to build an innings, to score big runs and concentrate for very long periods of time. Had he not injured his knee earlier this year and got a few runs under his belt in the Sheffield Shield, maybe he'd have got the nod ahead of Hughes.

Craig 27-12-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodster (Post 2423782)
Jaques' form has been particularly poor for a man of his ability. Would be unfair on him, perhaps as it has been on Hughes, to be selected for Test cricket when your confidence must be pretty low. I have always regarded Jaques as one of Australia's best options since Langer retired, but he simply hasn't backed up his talent with anything like good enough consistent performances in Australia or here in England.

Chris Rogers is another genuine opener of some talent, but has been overlooked despite a succession of very good seasons. A man that knows how to build an innings, to score big runs and concentrate for very long periods of time. Had he not injured his knee earlier this year and got a few runs under his belt in the Sheffield Shield, maybe he'd have got the nod ahead of Hughes.

From what I have gathered, it's Rogers personality is what gets held against him.

Woodster 27-12-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2423955)
From what I have gathered, it's Rogers personality is what gets held against him.

Would have thought they may have turned the other cheek in this case, but who knows. Would have been an ideal man to fill in for the series while Katich is out and Hughes could have remained with NSW to try and find some form.

But of course, if as you say, there are issues with his personality and certain people don't want him in then he may have been kept out in the cold anyway.

Julian87 28-12-2010 02:58 AM

Such bad timing for Jaques to be struck down with what, from all reports, was a devastating injury and come back. He simply hasn't been the same since. I haven't seen him bat long periods at all. He seems to be genuinely struggling before he hits 50. Such a shame.

Was the forgotten man of one day cricket too. So much better than Darsh in that format.

Prince EWS 28-12-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodster (Post 2423959)
Would have thought they may have turned the other cheek in this case, but who knows. Would have been an ideal man to fill in for the series while Katich is out and Hughes could have remained with NSW to try and find some form.

But of course, if as you say, there are issues with his personality and certain people don't want him in then he may have been kept out in the cold anyway.

Chris Rogers got injured early this Shield season and hasn't yet made a return. He would've been in the frame otherwise.

morgieb 28-12-2010 03:41 AM

What's wrong with Jaques's personality, ooc? There's been 'different' characters playing for Australia in the past.

Prince EWS 28-12-2010 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by morgieb (Post 2425022)
What's wrong with Jaques's personality, ooc? There's been 'different' characters playing for Australia in the past.

They were talking about Rogers.

Midwinter 28-12-2010 04:34 AM

What Julian87 said

Big fan of Phil but it would retrogressing to put him in now.

flibbertyjibber 28-12-2010 05:55 AM

I really liked Jaques but it does appear he has never properly got over the injury which is a real shame for both him and Australia as he would have been a very useful opener for you on his old form.

Woodster 28-12-2010 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS (Post 2424958)
Chris Rogers got injured early this Shield season and hasn't yet made a return. He would've been in the frame otherwise.

Yes mate, that's exactly what I said in an earlier post, before his perceived personality problem was alluded to.

stephen 28-12-2010 07:32 PM

Such a shame for Jaques really. I still think he has a lot to offer Australian cricket, but he's dreadfully out of form at the moment.


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