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Younis Khan vs Rahul Dravid

OverratedSanity

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But they were roads.. I watched those games. Sehwag was just at a different level of domination on those roads and THAT stands out. Even the game when Irfan took a hat trick off the first over of the match was a road by the time the 10th over started. Lets face it, result wickets will not be a thing even if India and Pakistan ever manage to play another test series. Just far far too much at stake..
You using that as a point against Younis was silly since Dravid played on those same roads. Remember that match where he and sehwag put on 400 for the first wicket?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
To answer the topic, I rate Younis very very high.. I do think its very close between Dravid and Younis but the fact that Dravid was awesome in the 90s and that he has played more memorable knocks makes him the winner here by a small but clear enough margin. Of course, YK can do better in his further matches and that might force a rethink but for now, I will stick to Dravid being the better one amongst these two really really awesome players and characters. As many have pointed out here, there are so many similarities between them as players that it is amazing.
 

honestbharani

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You using that as a point against Younis was silly since Dravid played on those same roads. Remember that match where he and sehwag put on 400 for the first wicket?

I am not using it as a point against Younis. I am using it as a point against listento_me's stupid narrative that Younis played all these great knocks alone and in absolute greentops and minefields. Of course Dravid has cashed in just as much as Younis on roads. Its what good batsmen do.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
But they were roads.. I watched those games. Sehwag was just at a different level of domination on those roads and THAT stands out. Even the game when Irfan took a hat trick off the first over of the match was a road by the time the 10th over started. Lets face it, result wickets will not be a thing even if India and Pakistan ever manage to play another test series. Just far far too much at stake..
That was most certainly a result oriented wicket after two dull draws and the curators came under severe fire. Only one innings saw a big total. 3 out of 4 innings saw scores around 250. I wouldn't call that a road. And YK didn't even score a hundred there. Got out in the 90s IIRC.
 
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OverratedSanity

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Incidentally, Dravid's twin hundreds in Kolkata that same series were two of his more overlooked innings. Really, really clutch.
 

honestbharani

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That was most certainly a result oriented wicket after two dull draws and the curators came under severe fire. Only one innings saw a big total. 3 out of 4 innings saw scores around 250. I wouldn't call that a road. And YK didn't even score a hundred there. Got out in the 90s IIRC.

Yeah but I meant the specific batting conditions on Day 1 post the first half an hour of swing due to the chilly weather. Come on, it was obvious to anyone who saw the game.


EDIT: Guess I have been mixing up series here... That 39/6 pitch definitely did flatten out after that first half hour though.
 
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Shri

Mr. Glass
It can also be argued that Dravid had to spend time practicing to be an ODI wicketkeeper for a couple of years in his prime. Time that could have been better spent in improving his batting skill further. Not to mention his success as a captain for a bit. Dravid was more than just a great batsman for his side at different times in his career.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
It can also be argued that Dravid had to spend time practicing to be an ODI wicketkeeper for a couple of years in his prime. Time that could have been better spent in improving his batting skill further.
And Rohit Sharma apparently could be the best batsman in the world if he practiced more.

Doesn't change reality.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
Dravid is ahead for me Younis needs one gun away tour to be considered equal to Dravid. Both will be part of my All time Indo-Pak XI

Sunny
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Younis
Miandad
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
Younis > Miandad then? I've held that opinion for a while now.
You could make a case for it but Miandad has a 270 vs hadlee in NZ a 260 vs Botham in England and then had that gun series in 88 vs Westindies Younis lacks big hundreds away from sub cont/UAE vs top sides for one reason or another.
 
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Shri

Mr. Glass
You could make a case for it but Miandad has a 270 vs hadlee in NZ a 260 vs Botham in England and then had that gun series in 88 vs Westindies Younis lacks big hundreds away from sub cont/UAE vs top sides for one reason or another.
The reason are simple. He is just'ah not'uh good'uh enough'uh. He is a B+ player.
 

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You could make a case for it but Miandad has a 270 vs hadlee in NZ a 260 vs Botham in England and then had that gun series in 88 vs Westindies Younis lacks big hundreds away from sub cont/UAE vs top sides for one reason or another.
To be fair he's only played one series in Australia (2004), 3 in England, including one this year where he scored a double. He hasn't done that well against South Africa at home iirc. Also yes Miandad had a great series against the Windies but to be fair it was only Ambrose's first series, and Walsh wasn't in the best of form iirc.
 

listento_me

U19 Captain
Younis > Miandad then? I've held that opinion for a while now.
Noway. Miandad averaged 50 throughout the entirety of his career, the only one alongside Hobbs. On top of that, he is a world cup winner, a warrior against the Windies and had some special, counter attacking knocks. I know the latter can also be said of Khan but Miandad just edges it. Miandad > Khan > Dravid

The reason are simple. He is just'ah not'uh good'uh enough'uh. He is a B+ player.
15 test centuries away from home, 6 of them outside of the subcontinent, having scored a century against SA and the most recent double in a crucial match in England.
 

listento_me

U19 Captain
Not for me, Miandad was up there with Border & Richards as Batsman of the 80s for me. Younis has been great, but top 3 in the 2000s, or even the last decade? Not quite.
Definitely not top 3 2000-09, thats obviously Ponting, Tendulkar and Lara (in that order) but from 2010 to now, he is most definitely a top 3. The other 2 are Amla and...erm...the 3rd pick is a tough one.

Edit: Border should never be mentioned in the same breath as Miandad and Richards.
 

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