Would Tatenda Taibu get in the India test team?

[honestbharani]

Sorry mate, I was not being sarcastic when I asked you if you had kept wickets. I really wanted to know.

Well I have and I will tell you that its not very difficult to take a stumping of a medium pacer or even a fastish bowler if he bowled a good length and it came to the keeper without hinderance from the batsmans body, outside the off stum. In fact it is one of the easier deliveries to collect. The problem is if he pitches short and it bounces OR, worse still, if he bowls a full pitch or yorker, then it takes great skill to take it. Its like taking a throw from mid field.

The problem is when you get a nick and the ball deviates after hitting the edge or the body of the batsman. When keeping to spinners, its a different ball game. The spin, the trajectory, the bounce, the amount of turn everything veries much more from delivery to delivery than for a medium pacer. PLUS when you go up to a medium pacer, you generally have an understanding as to what and where he will bowl.

It looks spectacular, I know but isnt as tough as it looks, most of the time.

As a guy who is a wicket keeper, although at about a million levels lower than international standards, I can attest to that. I have had no problems standing up to our new ball bowlers, who are only military medium at best. It is the spinners who pose a big challenge, esp. because they are not the most accurate ones going around.

 

[honestbharani]

To reply to the topic, I think Taibu will get into the Indian side, but I was forced to consider my own rating of Taibu as a batter after someone brought up how skewed it is after his series against Bangladesh. Well, he may not be as good with the bat as I may have thought earlier, but he would still be, atleast, as good as Patel and Kaarthick. Actually, I tend to rate Patel higher as a batter, but his keeping is just so horrible.

 

[chaminda_00]

Dinesh Kaarthick? He has been quite brilliant, although at times inconsistent, to the spinners on rank turners.

This is the main reason why Taibu wouldn't make the Indian XI IMO, Karthik has shown to be a better keeper aganist quailty in domestic cricket then Taibu. The domestic spinners in India are by far more superior to the spinners in the Zimbabwe team. Also if u look at Taibu's batting record exculding Bangladesh matches he averages 19.5, so therefore Karthick is atleast on par with him with the bat. A better keeper to spin and similar with the bat, i would go with Karthick over taibu

 

[Dasa]

These amazing takes (so called) are all while standing back. Ask anyone who has kept wickets and they will tell you these are not all that difficult to take (relatively speaking) though they look fantastic because of the distance covered in a dive and the one handed take in an outstretched glove. But the time you get makes all the difference.

The true test of a great keeper is standing up and here Gilchrist is no match to someone like, say, Healy (to take an Australian example).

SJS, I agree with you here. My wording was a bit misleading. Gilchrist often does things that look amazing because he dives around all over the place. However (prompted by one of your posts a while back) I've been watching 'keepers much more closely and have noticed how often he is taking these 'amazing' catches because he has to dive as a result of not being quick enough on his feet.

 

[age_master]

i reakon hes got about as much chance making it as a keeper than as an off spinner

 

[biased indian]

Taibuwould make any test team for his keeping ability but he mightfind it hard to remove some ones with bettre batting talent

as far as india goes he is always welcome but i wint want gilchrist or sangakkara

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

This is the main reason why Taibu wouldn't make the Indian XI IMO, Karthik has shown to be a better keeper aganist quailty in domestic cricket then Taibu. The domestic spinners in India are by far more superior to the spinners in the Zimbabwe team. Also if u look at Taibu's batting record exculding Bangladesh matches he averages 19.5, so therefore Karthick is atleast on par with him with the bat. A better keeper to spin and similar with the bat, i would go with Karthick over taibu

Karthik learned his cricket on turning tracks and facing mediocre medium pacers. Of course he would appear to extremely proficient in such fields. It's the same as most batsmen in Indian domestic cricket. Besides, my point has nothing to with Karthik. It was meant to laught at your belief that Gilchrist and Boucher are superior glovemen.
Anyone who has ever seen Taibu 'keep would realize his quality.

 

[SJS]

SJS, I agree with you here. My wording was a bit misleading. Gilchrist often does things that look amazing because he dives around all over the place. However (prompted by one of your posts a while back) I've been watching 'keepers much more closely and have noticed how often he is taking these 'amazing' catches because he has to dive as a result of not being quick enough on his feet.

Yes you are right.

Ames, who is under rated as a keeper for the sillly reason that he was a world classs batsman !! was considered to be excellent in this respect. So many people have written that he never seemed to be diving around or even taking too many deliveries in one hand because he always happened to be in the right place well in time !!

 

[SJS]

Karthik learned his cricket on turning tracks and facing mediocre medium pacers. Of course he would appear to extremely proficient in such fields. It's the same as most batsmen in Indian domestic cricket. Besides, my point has nothing to with Karthik. It was meant to laught at your belief that Gilchrist and Boucher are superior glovemen.
Anyone who has ever seen Taibu 'keep would realize his quality.

Kaarthick has taken a few spectacular takes but Taibu is much more consistent. Even as i watch him right now keeping to the Indian medium pacers he seems inconsistent.

 

[biased indian]

Kaarthick has taken a few spectacular takes but Taibu is much more consistent. Even as i watch him right now keeping to the Indian medium pacers he seems inconsistent.

did u see he missing a ball from zaheer that reminded me of P Patel going all the wrong places

 

[SJS]

did u see he missing a ball from zaheer that reminded me of P Patel going all the wrong places

Yes. It was atrocious since almost every delivery of Zaheer before that was moving away from the left hander after pitching. I dont know why he moved to the other side without waiting for the ball to pitch before deciding to move. ?

 

[chaminda_00]

Karthik learned his cricket on turning tracks and facing mediocre medium pacers. Of course he would appear to extremely proficient in such fields. It's the same as most batsmen in Indian domestic cricket. Besides, my point has nothing to with Karthik. It was meant to laught at your belief that Gilchrist and Boucher are superior glovemen.
Anyone who has ever seen Taibu 'keep would realize his quality.

The test of a keeper is his abilty to keep to quality spin bowling, which is something that Taibu hasn't been tested on unlike Gilchirst. Even though Gilly might not look as good keeping Warne as Healy, no one really does, he does a good enough job to clasify him a better keeper then Taibu. Until Taibu is tested aganist a quality spin bowler then someone like Gilly will always be a better keeper.

 

[Neil Pickup]

The test of a keeper is his abilty to keep to quality spin bowling, which is something that Taibu hasn't been tested on unlike Gilchirst. Even though Gilly might not look as good keeping Warne as Healy, no one really does, he does a good enough job to clasify him a better keeper then Taibu. Until Taibu is tested aganist a quality spin bowler then someone like Gilly will always be a better keeper.

That is very, very questionable logic.

 

[marc71178]

And one that procludes all but 2 keepers from the reckoning of actually being able to be ranked!

 

[chaminda_00]

And one that procludes all but 2 keepers from the reckoning of actually being able to be ranked!

All im saying that if watched him keep to Ray Price the only decent spinner his kept to he has flaws in his keeping. Compare this to someone like Gilchirst who also has flaws when keeping Warne, but these flaws seem to not be there when he keeps to Hogg. This shows that Gilchrist is a better keeper then Taibu cus he is better at keeping to spin. Also the guys that Gilly stands up to are faster then the bowlers that Taibu stands, therefore showing he is better in that area too. Like Taibu, Gilly misses hardly any chances but the difference being that there are more chances. More chances being therefore more chance of missing them.

Taibu is a good keeper don't get me wrong but their a flaws in his keeping that were shown when keeping to Price that he has to improve before he can be rate higher then some other keepers.

 

[mavric41]

Sorry mate, I was not being sarcastic when I asked you if you had kept wickets. I really wanted to know.

Well I have and I will tell you that its not very difficult to take a stumping of a medium pacer or even a fastish bowler if he bowled a good length and it came to the keeper without hinderance from the batsmans body, outside the off stum. In fact it is one of the easier deliveries to collect. The problem is if he pitches short and it bounces OR, worse still, if he bowls a full pitch or yorker, then it takes great skill to take it. Its like taking a throw from mid field.

The problem is when you get a nick and the ball deviates after hitting the edge or the body of the batsman. When keeping to spinners, its a different ball game. The spin, the trajectory, the bounce, the amount of turn everything veries much more from delivery to delivery than for a medium pacer. PLUS when you go up to a medium pacer, you generally have an understanding as to what and where he will bowl.

It looks spectacular, I know but isnt as tough as it looks, most of the time.

My comment was being a bit sarcastic. I do agree with what you say. Keeping is an artform. Just watching great keepers like Bob Taylor and Ian Healy is a pleasure. I don't think Gilchrist is in their league. He is a very good keeper, but makes too many mistakes. Taibu has the makings of a very good keeper, but at the moment he is still young and has the pressure of so much responsibility. I think it is because of this he will never develop to his full potential.

 

[marc71178]

Also the guys that Gilly stands up to are faster then the bowlers that Taibu stands, therefore showing he is better in that area too.

Taibu keeps to men who may not be as quick, but they're far more wayward...

 

[chaminda_00]

Taibu keeps to men who may not be as quick, but they're far more wayward...

Not really, Taibu has got his bowlers to bowl accurate, it just they can't go anything else. The guys that weren't accurate like Blessing and Hondo got dropped, the other who isn't accurate is Blignaut, but he stands back to him.

 

[twctopcat]

You obviously missed the last test then....

 

[chaminda_00]

You obviously missed the last test then....

Higher quality batsmen can make bowler look more wayward then they actually are, especially when they are going after them. At times when Afridi was going after the bowlers in the VB Series they looked more wayward then they actually were. Also Panganara (sp) wasn't playing that test, he is quite an accurate bowler.