Who is the best limited over spinner of all time

[Migara]

I'm glad that there's no talk of Sunil Narine in this thread because he chucks it like crazy...and teams still pick him in their league/s.

We in grade cricket some times look at the elbow of the bowler and it gives away the type of delivery.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

We in grade cricket some times look at the elbow of the bowler and it gives away the type of delivery.

So eyes never on the ball?

Oh wait, I forget that you mentioned that it was grade cricket...

 

[Migara]

So eyes never on the ball?

Oh wait, I forget that you mentioned that it was grade cricket...

When that elbow gives the hint you can quickly look at the ball. You now it is going to turn the other way, even it gets slightest bit of air you could get it on full and score, or if short can cut or pull. A very good length change ball in grade cricket is likely to bamboozle you even if you know which way it is going.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=wickets;template=results;type=bowling

Saqlain EASILY????

 

[ataraxia]

????

 

[andruid]

Mystery bowlers peak much higher than orthodox spinners. Saqlain and Mendis are examples. And bigger the mystery, faster they wear off. Bowlers who had not much of mystery like Murali, Kumble and Warne hardly worn off, rapidly like Mendis or less rapidly like Saqlain.

Saqlain was a very good bowler, infact I rate him as #2 ODI spinner. However that comes with both his intensity of performance and longevity.

Absolutely nothing unusual or special about Murali's run of the mill bowling action.

 

[subshakerz]

Saqlain - statistically the best

Murali - wicket-taking longevity

Warne - Best WC performer

You can vote for any of the above and I don't think any of them is a wrong answer.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Saqlain - statistically the best

Murali - wicket-taking longevity

Warne - Best WC performer

You can vote for any of the above and I don't think any of them is a wrong answer.

Who is the best spinner ?
Warne is the best WC performer.
Right answer...Question is wrong though

 

[subshakerz]

Who is the best spinner ?
Warne is the best WC performer.
Right answer...Question is wrong though

I am saying that based on your criteria, you can select any of them as the best. WC performances matter more me though.

 

[Migara]

Saqlain - statistically the best

Murali - wicket-taking longevity

Warne - Best WC performer

You can vote for any of the above and I don't think any of them is a wrong answer.

Wrong. Warne had a good final and a meh one. So did Murali. Important difference is that murali never took performance enhancers or masking agents of it, and unceramoniously sent home from a WC.

 

[Migara]

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=wickets;template=results;type=bowling

Saqlain EASILY????

Nah, Ajmal, EASILY.

 

[subshakerz]

Wrong. Warne had a good final and a meh one. So did Murali. Important difference is that murali never took performance enhancers or masking agents of it, and unceramoniously sent home from a WC.

Murali took a grand total of 1 wicket in three WC finals he appeared in and 8 wickets overall in seven WC semis and finals.

Warne was Man of the Match in two WC semis and a final, taking 12 wickets overall in those games, and failed in one final.

Not even close.

 

[CricAddict]

Murali took a grand total of 1 wicket in three WC finals he appeared in and 8 wickets overall in seven WC semis and finals.

Warne was Man of the Match in two WC semis and a final, taking 12 wickets overall in those games, and failed in one final.

Not even close.

This analysis of measuring players solely from wc finals is quite agenda based, simplistic and stupid.

 

[CricAddict]

I am a huge fan of Warne and rate him higher than Murali but it is not because of just wc final performances.

 

[Gob]

It was what happened to Saqlain albeit little slowly. Once SC batsmen figured out doosra, his effectiveness dwindled. It was Kumar Dharmasena who figured it out first. Saqlain anyway was extremely accurate. A knee injury and a nack injury ended Saqlains and Mendis' careers respectively.

That's surprising. Bloke is as blind as a bat

 

[TheJediBrah]

Still potentially useful information to have. If Kumar Dharmasena "figured something out" you could usually assume the opposite is correct and go with that

 

[subshakerz]

This analysis of measuring players solely from wc finals is quite agenda based, simplistic and stupid.

I never said WC performances are a sole criteria. Otherwise Brad Hogg would be ahead of Murali.

But when comparing ODI cricketers who are close it is a useful measure to differentiate.

 

[Migara]

Murali took a grand total of 1 wicket in three WC finals he appeared in and 8 wickets overall in seven WC semis and finals.

Warne was Man of the Match in two WC semis and a final, taking 12 wickets overall in those games, and failed in one final.

Not even close.

Yeah yeah, I saw that a mile away. Warne's oppositins were Pakistan, South Africa and West indies, sitting ducks against spin. Only time he came across a team who can really play spin he was tonked around. Murali's were three against Australia and two against India. When he came across similar oppositions like Warne faced against NZ, he took 6 wickets in two matches alone.

The other time Aussies faced a team who played spin well in 2003, Warne was kicked out of the team, otherwise it would have been a carnage.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah yeah, I saw that a mile away. Warne's oppositins were Pakistan, South Africa and West indies, sitting ducks against spin. Only time he came across a team who can really play spin he was tonked around. Murali's were three against Australia and two against India. When he came across similar oppositions like Warne faced against NZ, he took 6 wickets in two matches alone.

The other time Aussies faced a team who played spin well in 2003, Warne was kicked out of the team, otherwise it would have been a carnage.

You make it seem like Warne was playing against minnows. They were some of the most high pressure ODI games of all time. Its not like Murali was massacring Pakistan, WI and SA in every WC game. At least give him some credit.

Murali by your count was basically helpless against Australia and India, 2 wickets in 5 games.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The other time Aussies faced a team who played spin well in 2003, Warne was kicked out of the team, otherwise it would have been a carnage.

Damn this is a good point. If we'd got to face Warne in 03 we mightve chased 360. Unlucky really.