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[chicane]

No, because you'd have to go man to man on the bowling attacks...

Either man for man or as a unit, they cannot compete.

And if you compare the batting, man to man or as a unit, if you compare the catching, India's is better. If you compare the captaincy, India's is better. And these days more often than not, batting wins matches. And man to man bowling, you'd get Kumble far better than Giles and Pathan even or better than Harmison.

 

[marc71178]

Yes because we on the series.

Which shows great consistency in the winning of Away Series...

If you're looking for match by match consistency, that doesn't show it, and neither does it for series (seeing as it was the first away series win anywhere for 10 years)

 

[tooextracool]

umm do you not read??it rained all day and india didnt get to bat at all in those conditions!!

Shows just how much of the game you saw...

australia at the end of day 1, 2-262 (Langer 115* , Ponting 54 , Hayden 37 , Khan 2-54)
australia at the end of day 2,9/323 (Langer 121, Ponting 54, Martyn 42, Zaheer 5/95, Agarkar 2/90)

so when exactly did india bat in those conditions?or were you just trying to use one of my comments to rile me?

 

[chicane]

Except last time I checked Pakistan was in Asia...

Counting it as an away tour.....though the Pakistani bowling attack is nothing like any other sub-contnent attack. We faced red-hot fast bowling, a better attack than England for sure, and we won there after 15 years of domination by Pakistan.

 

[chicane]

australia at the end of day 1, 2-262 (Langer 115* , Ponting 54 , Hayden 37 , Khan 2-54)
australia at the end of day 2,9/323 (Langer 121, Ponting 54, Martyn 42, Zaheer 5/95, Agarkar 2/90)

so when exactly did india bat in those conditions?or were you just trying to use one of my comments to rile me?

Brisbane does have excellent drainage facilities but surely after it rained for so long the pitch won't change back so drastically.

 

[marc71178]

I think we have a promising pace attack, and we have two world-class spinners.

2 World Class Spinners?

Kumble is possibly the first (but World Class for me is a bit OTT), but who is the second?

 

[tooextracool]

It's the best in most conditions. Even Australia can't play spin for nuts! That doesn't mean they aren't a strong batting side. Think and then post..

they cant play spin for nuts??which explains why they whitewashed SL in SL!!

But they clearly struggled more.

this coming from a guy who didnt watch either series

Yes. And I really didn't say he was very good then either. He was a lot batter than he is now. He's always had a sorry attitude, but he was better then..

right so a year and a half later he became absolutely useless and wasnt even good enough to make it into the side.

Sure if it suits your arguement say anything.

No one's debating the fact that the England bowling overall is superior. But the WI batting was in far better shape then....

despite lara just coming back from injury and being completely out of form?and the fact is WI bowling is better now than it was then.

Let's not get into that stupid arguement again this thread is already a mess, both teams were understrength. And Lehmann's replacement played some of the most valuable knocks for them....so don't start crying about that now.

and the same can be said about india's replacement bowlers...who in fact bowled better than the first string bowlers....

 

[chicane]

Which shows great consistency in the winning of Away Series...

If you're looking for match by match consistency, that doesn't show it, and neither does it for series (seeing as it was the first away series win anywhere for 10 years)

Before Australia I think the last away tour was NZ, and if that's the case then NZ was a horrible excuse for test cricket. And even so that was a long time ago and India have changed a lot now. And we have been very inconsistent because of constant injury. If not for Zaheer's injury (and of course one session of poor batting)handicapping us, we may have been able to draw the Melbourne test.

 

[marc71178]

You didn't see that game....it shows beause Gillespie didn't play in that game.

Is this the same Gillespie who you claimed wasn't injured or off form at any point?

Why did he miss the game then?

 

[tooextracool]

Brisbane does have excellent drainage facilities but surely after it rained for so long the pitch won't change back so drastically.

why not?look at headingly despite the fact that it rained for almost an entire day it is still relatively flat.and brisbane does have better drainage facillites than headingly

 

[marc71178]

And man to man bowling, you'd get Kumble far better than Giles and Pathan even or better than Harmison.

Kumble agreed, but Pathan?!!!!!!
Actually, why not add Ganguly as better than Harmison as well?

 

[chicane]

they cant play spin for nuts??which explains why they whitewashed SL in SL!!

And explains why Murali picked up so many wickets. Sri Lanka's batting and support bowlers let them down.

this coming from a guy who didnt watch either series

I was following it, though not every minute. And it anyway appears you didn't see any of the India tours you are pointing out.

right so a year and a half later he became absolutely useless and wasnt even good enough to make it into the side.

Hard to understand that?

Sure if it suits your arguement say anything.

I'm not you, but you are beginning to get to me i think.

despite lara just coming back from injury and being completely out of form?and the fact is WI bowling is better now than it was then.

And now it's the other way round, everyone except Lara and to some extent Sarwan and Gayle are not performing. Which is better? The WI bowling now isn't exactly breathing fire on Bangladesh.

and the same can be said about india's replacement bowlers...who in fact bowled better than the first string bowlers....

So just bury it for good now. It was even.

 

[marc71178]

Counting it as an away tour

We're talking about OUTSIDE Asia though...

We faced red-hot fast bowling, a better attack than England for sure, and we won there after 15 years of domination by Pakistan.

15 years of domination during which time there were 3 whole games...

 

[chicane]

Is this the same Gillespie who you claimed wasn't injured or off form at any point?

Why did he miss the game then?

Yes that was Melbourne, there were two tests before that. He bowled pretty well before breaking down after the exhauston of Adelaide.

 

[tooextracool]

Before Australia I think the last away tour was NZ, and if that's the case then NZ was a horrible excuse for test cricket..

so?if your batting was that good they should have outbatted NZ's

And even so that was a long time ago and India have changed a lot now..

and when you want to you can so conveniently use the fact that india played well in england,a series that happened even before the NZ series

And we have been very inconsistent because of constant injury. If not for Zaheer's injury (and of course one session of poor batting)handicapping us, we may have been able to draw the Melbourne test.

if zaheer khan was missed by india you can only imagine how much mcgrath and warne were missed by australia

 

[marc71178]

If not for Zaheer's injury (and of course one session of poor batting)handicapping us, we may have been able to draw the Melbourne test.

And of course, Australia had no injury worries whatsoever...

 

[marc71178]

if zaheer khan was missed by india you can only imagine how much mcgrath and warne were missed by australia

And Gillespie when he broke down in the game India won...

 

[chicane]

We're talking about OUTSIDE Asia though...

I thought iclearly explained when you face Pakistan it's more of a SA or Australia type attack, hardly like a typical sub-continent one.

15 years of domination during which time there were 3 whole games...

In both India and Pakistan.

 

[chicane]

And of course, Australia had no injury worries whatsoever...

There were injuries to both sides....period.

 

[marc71178]

I thought iclearly explained when you face Pakistan it's more of a SA or Australia type attack, hardly like a typical sub-continent one.

And the Pakistani attack has what affect on the location?

In both India and Pakistan.

Yes, a total of 3 matches in 15 years...