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Who is the best current International Coach

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tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
sure NZ drew the series here and it was commendable, but India are not the benchmark......Just because India have been beating Australia at home for the past 34 years doesn't make them a better team. You have to think a little more TEC....
ok so considering NZ played out a draw series against australia in australia they are better the SA who got whitewashed. your inane comparisons dont work at all.

chicane said:
I think we have a promising pace attack, and we have two world-class spinners. Not too bad, but our batting is the best in the world, can you say that about England?
and england too have a promising batting lineup......and englands bowling lineup is far better than indias in england!
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
but our batting is the best in the world, can you say that about England?
if your batting lineup was so good then howcome they all failed in NZ?they should've been more than capable to cope with those conditions
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
interestingly enough the only time there was any movement was when australia batted after the rain and completely collapsed.
Yeah and India had to face these conditions too....and did better. 8-)
tooextracool said:
yep 1 session out of 15....sounds like a real bowlers paradise....and remind me who won that match?
I think the wicket had pace and bounce till the final day. Yeah so Australia won the match, because of one session of poor batting from the Indians.....Do I need to remind you of Sehwag's innings? 195 from 225 odd balls with 25 fours and five sixes. He had them on his feet till he threw it away. And if you'll notice he's learnt to control himself, during his 309, he spet almost half an hour in the 180's and 190's.
tooextracool said:
haha joke of the year
Yeah you are. You have no clue...
tooextracool said:
so?even NZ had to bat on those wickets?you just said india can win anywhere and on seaming wickets so whats wrong with those conditions??
New Zealand wer obviously more used to the conditions. Think TEC think...
tooextracool said:
just like those in australia and pakistan suited the indian batting lineup
Not in extreme propotions.
tooextracool said:
arent WI the worst team in the world?when harmison gets 7/12 you rule it out as being WI are so poor yet they managed to beat india
You don't know the difference between the 2002 side and the current one.....Under Carl Hooper then they were better.
tooextracool said:
yet they will still have kasparowicz,warne and perhaps lehmann
:lol: :lol: You'll have to face a better attack because of Lehmann?! Sure he's handy but oh..... :laugh:
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
if your batting lineup was so good then howcome they all failed in NZ?they should've been more than capable to cope with those conditions
Yeah but don't get too carried away by how England are doing against NZ now at home, when they play in NZ they may well falter in those extreme conditions like they did in Sri Lanka.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
Yeah and India had to face these conditions too....and did better. 8-) :
umm do you not read??it rained all day and india didnt get to bat at all in those conditions!!

chicane said:
I think the wicket had pace and bounce till the final day. Yeah so Australia won the match, because of one session of poor batting from the Indians:
pace and bounce doesnt necessary mean a pitch isnt flat....the bounce was consistent and there wasnt any movement. you dont see teams getting more than 550 runs on a wicket that wasnt flat!!



chicane said:
Yeah you are. You have no clue...:
absolutely...so brett lee and gillespie were in the form of their life...no wonder lee got hammered in SL was dropped. and brad williams was also brilliant which explains why the zimbabwians smakced him around the park.

chicane said:
New Zealand wer obviously more used to the conditions. Think TEC think....
im sorry but this is the stupidest post of the year....wherever india plays abroad be it zimbabwe or england the home team will be more suited to the wickets than the opposition!!! if india couldnt play in those conditions in nz how will they handle the swinging conditions in england??

chicane said:
Not in extreme propotions
yep so now its non in extreme proportions...dont be ridiculous.

chicane said:
You don't know the difference between the 2002 side and the current one.....Under Carl Hooper then they were better.
of course...cuffy and dillon were far better bowlers than the ones they have now.

chicane said:
:lol: :lol: You'll have to face a better attack because of Lehmann?! Sure he's handy but oh..... :laugh.
umm he is quite a handy batsman! im guessing you dont read much...
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
Yeah but don't get too carried away by how England are doing against NZ now at home, when they play in NZ they may well falter in those extreme conditions like they did in Sri Lanka.
which explains why they came back last time with a respectable 1-1 draw as opposed to indias 2-0 drubbing.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
So South Africa struggled in New Zealand, will you say NZ are beter than SA?Just like in India, NZ home conditions favour them way too much.
please dont comment on cricket that you didnt watch.....
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
which explains why they came back last time with a respectable 1-1 draw as opposed to indias 2-0 drubbing.
India came back with a respectable 1-1 draw from Australia, unlike England's drubbing.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
India came back with a respectable 1-1 draw from Australia, unlike England's drubbing.
quote:Yeah but don't get too carried away by how England are doing against NZ now at home, when they play in NZ they may well falter in those extreme conditions like they did in Sri Lanka.

are you always so irrelevant?
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
umm do you not read??it rained all day and india didnt get to bat at all in those conditions!!
Shows just how much of the game you saw...
tooextracool said:
pace and bounce doesnt necessary mean a pitch isnt flat....the bounce was consistent and there wasnt any movement. you dont see teams getting more than 550 runs on a wicket that wasnt flat!!
You see Australia doing it...
tooextracool said:
absolutely...so brett lee and gillespie were in the form of their life...no wonder lee got hammered in SL was dropped. and brad williams was also brilliant which explains why the zimbabwians smakced him around the park.
You didn't see that game....it shows beause Gillespie didn't play in that game.
tooextracool said:
im sorry but this is the stupidest post of the year....wherever india plays abroad be it zimbabwe or england the home team will be more suited to the wickets than the opposition!!! if india couldnt play in those conditions in nz how will they handle the swinging conditions in england??
The conditions in New Zealand were far worse than in England. We didn't do too badly in England either. Like look at South Africa, they weren't half as bad in England as they were in New Zealand.
tooextracool said:
yep so now its non in extreme proportions...dont be ridiculous.
If you have no clue what you're talking about and what others are then at least don't be arrogant.
tooextracool said:
of course...cuffy and dillon were far better bowlers than the ones they have now.
Dillon wasn't too bad then, they had Collins too...he wasn't too bad. Fidel Edwards and Jermaine Lawson were so poor in the previous test. Plus they had a better captain and their batting was performing better.
tooextracool said:
umm he is quite a handy batsman! im guessing you dont read much...
We were talking about the bowling attack. Don't post irrelevant garbage, then accuse others for not reading.
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
quote:Yeah but don't get too carried away by how England are doing against NZ now at home, when they play in NZ they may well falter in those extreme conditions like they did in Sri Lanka.

are you always so irrelevant?
England have similar conditions to NZ at home like you said.....so they did better in NZ.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
England have similar conditions to NZ at home like you said.....so they did better in NZ.
you just said that when england went to NZ they would get hammered!!you dont seem to read what you write!!
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
you just said that when england went to NZ they would get hammered!!you dont seem to read what you write!!
I made it clear that i was just quoting what you said.
"England have similar conditions to NZ at home like you said.....so they did better in NZ."
I said England may get hammered, though I shouldv'e known that for England the conditions in New Zealand won't be all that difficult.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
You see Australia doing it....
quite a witty answer.....(hopes you read the sarcasm)

chicane said:
You didn't see that game....it shows beause Gillespie didn't play in that game
umm i was talking about the entire series....australia played with an understrength bowling attack!!and dont use my comments when its barely even relevant.

chicane said:
The conditions in New Zealand were far worse than in England. We didn't do too badly in England either.
if your batting was that good it should be able to cope with all conditions....a large part about a good batting side is being able to adjust to the conditions

chicane said:
Like look at South Africa, they weren't half as bad in England as they were in New Zealand.
2-2 in ENG and 1-1 in NZ

chicane said:
If you have no clue what you're talking about and what others are then at least don't be arrogant.
the thing is you dont have a clue what you are talking about either.

chicane said:
Dillon wasn't too bad then..
so he suddenly became so bad that he didnt merit a place in the side

chicane said:
they had Collins too.....
collins was only half the bowler he is now....remind me how many wickets did he take in that series??

chicane said:
Fidel Edwards..
look at some highlights from the series against england...

chicane said:
Jermaine Lawson
who didnt play against england

chicane said:
Plus they had a better captain and their batting was performing better..
perhaps that had something to do with playing against a better bowling lineup??


chicane said:
We were talking about the bowling attack. Don't post irrelevant garbage, then accuse others for not reading.
no we were talking about the fact that australia had an understrength side against india....lehmann missed out that series too..
 

tooextracool

International Coach
chicane said:
I said England may get hammered, though I shouldv'e known that for England the conditions in New Zealand won't be all that difficult.
so that comparison of yours goes down the drain
 

Raj123

U19 Debutant
tooextracool said:
dont be ridiculous, the best way to compare 2 teams is by looking at performances between each other!
This makes pretty good sense... The last time india toured england and australia they had draws so if they were to tour these two countries now you'd expect them to have even chances. which is what i think chicane is trying to say. whats so wrong with that.
 

chicane

State Captain
tooextracool said:
quite a witty answer.....(hopes you read the sarcasm)
Resort to that when you have no more trash to say.....and not funny either.
tooextracool said:
umm i was talking about the entire series....australia played with an understrength bowling attack!!and dont use my comments when its barely even relevant.
Yeah well first learn not to change topics abrubtly. We were talking about Lee bowling to them at Melbourne. Now you resort to changing the subject! :dry:
tooextracool said:
if your batting was that good it should be able to cope with all conditions....a large part about a good batting side is being able to adjust to the conditions
It's the best in most conditions. Even Australia can't play spin for nuts! That doesn't mean they aren't a strong batting side. Think and then post.
tooextracool said:
2-2 in ENG and 1-1 in NZ
But they clearly struggled more.
tooextracool said:
the thing is you dont have a clue what you are talking about either.
On the contrary, and you are in fact so tedious that it gets to me sometimes.
tooextracool said:
so he suddenly became so bad that he didnt merit a place in the side
Yes. And I really didn't say he was very good then either. He was a lot batter than he is now. He's always had a sorry attitude, but he was better then.
tooextracool said:
collins was only half the bowler he is now....remind me how many wickets did he take in that series??
Sure if it suits your arguement say anything.
tooextracool said:
perhaps that had something to do with playing against a better bowling lineup??
No one's debating the fact that the England bowling overall is superior. But the WI batting was in far better shape then...
tooextracool said:
no we were talking about the fact that australia had an understrength side against india....lehmann missed out that series too..
Let's not get into that stupid arguement again this thread is already a mess, both teams were understrength. And Lehmann's replacement played some of the most valuable knocks for them....so don't start crying about that now.
 
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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
chicane said:
If you think and analyze this Indian team and compare it man to man, and also remember Australia(Yes remember it it's the benchmark), you'll see they do have a distinct edge over England and New Zealand.

No, because you'd have to go man to man on the bowling attacks...

Either man for man or as a unit, they cannot compete.
 
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