Who is gonna win the Sept 19th clash???

[wahindiawah]

Fraz--- Just one question, why don't you just stick to cricket??

All the incident you mentioned, i wasn't part of them, so why drag me into it?

I might have bashed Pak pacers on numerous occasions,but i have reasons to do that.Since two years(that i have been using this site) i have been hearing tales of the greatness of Pak pacers, but in reality the kind of success they achieved on battleground isn't more than the success American got in finding WMD in iraq!

 

[TendulkarFan]

Link: http://cricket.123india.com/news/losses.html

Pakistani bowlers, especially Shabbir Ahmed, made use of the early morning conditions, pegging back our batsmen. Yuvraj Singh played a matured knock, well-supported by the lower order batsmen.

You dont know what Shabbir has done for Pakistan in the recent past esspecially against India? Ok, i show you more!

Then look for example at the Match in the Videoceon Cup in Amsterdam. There he also took a wicket with good figures...


Or for example in the Samsung Cup:
There he also took very important wickets...Just watch the scorecard of the Samsung cup ODIs...
He is a very important player for the pakistani bowling line up.

Dude...he got screwed in three of the four games of that very same series. Combined figures of 26-0-183-2. Of course, the link you provided was to the only game in which he bowled well.

Look, I'm not trying to say Shabbir is a completely useless bowler; he's just not as important to Pakistan as Sachin is to India.

 

[FRAZ]

My dear friend . I am the one who was sticking up to cricket in a good way . I dont think that using an abusive language and then dissing the other players and countries means cricket . ok let me give you an idea of how many times on the first page of cricket chat pakistani players have been mentioned .
Pakistan is also a cricket team I guess and here people try to talk about their performances , Are you getting any sort of problem with that my friend .


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Now lets see . The first page and how many times any one has mentioned any Pakistani pacer here . Hmmm there is a thread about Mubai vs rest of India , Hows dinesh Kartik and There is a thread about Australian tour of India .
If you still think that India is not getting enough space here then what else I can do .
And if you think that ICC should revoke the Pakistan cricket licence then you gotta talk with them . my friend .
And will you plzz put up a picture of yours in the signature . Juz wanna see you my friend .... thanx

 

[Bouncer]

Fraz--- Just one question, why don't you just stick to cricket??

All the incident you mentioned, i wasn't part of them, so why drag me into it?

I might have bashed Pak pacers on numerous occasions,but i have reasons to do that.Since two years(that i have been using this site) i have been hearing tales of the greatness of Pak pacers, but in reality the kind of success they achieved on battleground isn't more than the success American got in finding WMD in iraq!

What exactly is ur definition of success?

lets see what pakistani pacers have done,

Shoiab akhter since 2001:

Summer 2002: Against Aus at Gabba 5/25

May 2002: against NZ at Karachi ODI,6/16 then against NZ in lahore test 6/11

October 2002: In next test match against Aus turned the game around in second innings, 5/21, Mark waugh, Gilchrist, Ponting CLean bowled...Warne and Steve Waugh LBW.

10 wickets against B'dash.....I have a feeling that u r going to comment on only this.

Lahore against SA, match winning bowling in second inning....at same vanue 4/45 in ODI

Dec 2004 In NZ 6/30....5/48.....sigle handedly destroyed NZ.

If akhter is as Crappy as u think then how come he is the best strike rate holder in history of ODIs?


and i know this wouldnt shut u up coz in my experience Logic/ or cricket sense dosnt beat patriotisim in ur case.

 

[wahindiawah]

LOL Why do you keep posting links of other threads???


I won't put up my pic coz i think u r an ISI agent, who will avenge (all the heated exchange on thread) by brutalising me in making me watch the 17 ball over of M SAMI....Just a joke

 

[Bouncer]

^^ to give a proof of what he is saying, now lets see if u can give proof of Zaheer khan, Irfan, Nehra and Balaji, being better Bolwers than pakistani pacers.

 

[wahindiawah]

What exactly is ur definition of success?

lets see what pakistani pacers have done,

Shoiab akhter since 2001:

.

You initially said Pak pacerS yet just talked about one guy, why? Coz others are worth talking about,right???

I have said that Indian pacers are better than Pak pacers with the exception of a determined Akhter.The performances that you mentioned were the one in which Akhter was playing with determination, i admit that.
Unfortunately that haven't been the case since some time now.




And please don't talk about patriotism, i'm not being blinded by patriotism
atall.

 

[Bouncer]

You initially said Pak pacerS yet just talked about one guy, why? Coz others are worth talking about,right???

I have said that Indian pacers are better than Pak pacers with the exception of a determined Akhter.The performances that you mentioned were the one in which Akhter was playing with determination, i admit that.
Unfortunately that haven't been the case since some time now.
And please don't talk about patriotism, i'm not being blinded by patriotism
atall.

Coz i thought akhter was biggest disappointment for you in pakistani pace attack...
I atleats can try to talk with some facts....i have nt seen any fact that supports ur claims India being better team than Pak or Indian pacers being better than pakistani pacers.

 

[Nate]

You initially said Pak pacerS yet just talked about one guy, why? Coz others are worth talking about,right???

I have said that Indian pacers are better than Pak pacers with the exception of a determined Akhter.The performances that you mentioned were the one in which Akhter was playing with determination, i admit that.
Unfortunately that haven't been the case since some time now.




And please don't talk about patriotism, i'm not being blinded by patriotism
atall.

Yea, but your being blinded by spelling errors!! Its very rude of you to ignore it when I am just trying to help ya bro... especially when you use the word so much!!

AKHTAR. with an 'a'

 

[FRAZ]

What exactly is ur definition of success?

lets see what pakistani pacers have done,

Shoiab akhter since 2001:

Summer 2002: Against Aus at Gabba 5/25

May 2002: against NZ at Karachi ODI,6/16 then against NZ in lahore test 6/11

October 2002: In next test match against Aus turned the game around in second innings, 5/21, Mark waugh, Gilchrist, Ponting CLean bowled...Warne and Steve Waugh LBW.

10 wickets against B'dash.....I have a feeling that u r going to comment on only this.

Lahore against SA, match winning bowling in second inning....at same vanue 4/45 in ODI

Dec 2004 In NZ 6/30....5/48.....sigle handedly destroyed NZ.

If akhter is as Crappy as u think then how come he is the best strike rate holder in history of ODIs?


and i know this wouldnt shut u up coz in my experience Logic/ or cricket sense dosnt beat patriotisim in ur case.

Very well said Bouncer !!

 

[Deja moo]

I dont see what the argument is all about. I thought a blind monkey woul be able to agree that Sami , Shoaib Akhtar , Razzaq ,are more a better pace attack than Balaji , Zaheer and Pathan , given that Zaheer seems to have gone downhill and Balaji is following in AA's footsteps by being inconsistent. When was the last time we had a fully functioning pace unit ? ( I guess the 2003WC , but then they turned around and gave the fans a kick in the nuts in the final , didnt they ?)

 

[Vroomfondel]

^
^
^
Exactly what he said. When comparing Indian pacers to Pakistani ones, we seem to be comparing "high expectation" (ours) and "high potential" (in our own assessment) with the perhaps lower reality of Pakistani pacers.

If I had to pick pacers for a team, India and Pakistan wouldn't be where I'd be recruiting. That being said, if there was a choice between the two, I'd go with Pakistan simply because they have a bird in hand, as opposed to the numerous birds that India has in the oven...erm, or something like that.

bottom line: no comparison

 

[Bouncer]

Here is what various people have asked Wahindiawah and lets see his responses.

to give a proof of what he is saying, now lets see if u can give proof of Zaheer khan, Irfan, Nehra and Balaji, being better Bolwers than pakistani pacers.

No response yet :

.i have nt seen any fact that supports ur claims India being better team than Pak or Indian pacers being better than pakistani pacers

No response yet

When was the last time we had a fully functioning pace unit ? ( I guess the 2003WC , but then they turned around and gave the fans a kick in the nuts in the final , didnt they ?)

No response yet

I'd go with Pakistan simply because they have a bird in hand, as opposed to the numerous birds that India has in the oven...erm, or something like that

No response yet

I dont remember a single occeasion when India took on pak when, Pak had a better batting line up or Pak was winning alot of matches for those oceasions India will always be hiding..They always wait till they think Pak is at most vulnerable to attack

No response yet

Debateable - Pakistan have better bowling, and the Indian batting is not performing.

No response yet

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Wahindiawah, u must be waiting for the Next Pak India WC game to come back and reply all of these.

 

[Deja moo]

I dont remember a single occeasion when India took on pak when, Pak had a better batting line up or Pak was winning alot of matches for those oceasions India will always be hiding..They always wait till they think Pak is at most vulnerable to attack

Thats laughable .India playe Pak in the 80s when Pak was perhaps the number 2 ODI team. There were also numerous matches in the 90's. The only reason for not playing Pak a lot in the last 4 years or so was politics .

 

[marc71178]

Yes indeed, the likes of Sami, Shabbir and Razzak are better than Khan,Pathan,Nehra and Balaji.

The exception is Akhter,but then he's too non-serious cricketer to be taken seriously!

I wouldn't mind betting about 90% of neutrals would rather have Sami, Shabbir, Razzaq and Shoaib in their team.

 

[marc71178]

Isn't it a pity that from being one of the best in world, Akhter is now being regarded as just a dangerous bowler??

I don't think he means dangerous physically, more dangerous to the team's chances.

If on song and hyped up, he can destroy ANY top order (and lets face it, you'd think he's likely to be fired up for this one)

 

[Raj123]

I wouldn't mind betting about 90% of neutrals would rather have Sami, Shabbir, Razzaq and Shoaib in their team.

sami - 25.20 31.2 4.83
zaheer - 26.86 33.0 4.87
there isnt much diference there

shabbir - 36.93 51.1 4.33
ajit - 28.09 32.8 5.13
ones economical other has a better sr which sort of does the same thing

razzaq - 28.48 38.2 4.47
singh - 27.80 40.8 4.08
harbhajan is a bit economical but there isnt much in it

just for the sake of completion (not going to kid myself about shoaib)
shoaib - 22.45 29.4 4.57
pathan - 25.88 30.7 5.04

if each team got to bowl 4 overs (one each) pak attack gives away 18 and the indian 19 runs.
if each team had to take 4 wickets (one each) pak attack would require 150 balls and the indian 137

not saying indians have a better attack, but with the exception of shoaib there is nothing between the two attacks. so if anyone thinks other than shoaib indians are just as strong i think its justified.

 

[FRAZ]

^can you also write down the number of wickets and the man of the match awards and can you plzz do a little more research by checking their complete on tour record and the wisden verdict on them and their pwc rating fluctuation . Thanx a lot sir .

 

[Raj123]

^can you also write down the number of wickets and the man of the match awards and can you plzz do a little more research by checking their complete on tour record and the wisden verdict on them and their pwc rating fluctuation . Thanx a lot sir .

thats what i think. if you think otherwise let me know about the stats you are talking about (if you would care to).

 

[Bouncer]

if each team had to take 4 wickets (one each) pak attack would require 150 balls and the indian 137

dude i hope u understand punjabi, coz i wanna tell u Fittay Moun Teerra...okay lets ask the Non Indian-Pakistani people if they agree with this panetrativeness of Indian bowling attack, Past or present.