Which type of pitches are better for longterm benefit of a Team ?

[sunilz]

Choose the better option. Which pitch would be more beneficial in long term ?

 

[honestbharani]

Thinking there is any one kind of pitch that is beneficial is exactly what will cause any team to fail, long term.

 

[Starfighter]

A mix.

 

[Spark]

A mixture, but err on the side of pitches that makes bowlers earn wickets through extra skill or physical gifts and rewards batsmen who know how to bat for long periods of time.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Flat pitches for sure make for better player development. Batsmen learn to play long innings and bowlers earn their wickets and are forced to develop inventive ways to take wickets. If batsmen play all their lives on ****ty greentops they dont develop the full range of shots to score at the highest level.

 

[sunilz]

Flat pitches for sure make for better player development. Batsmen learn to play long innings and bowlers earn their wickets and are forced to develop inventive ways to take wickets. If batsmen play all their lives on ****ty greentops they dont develop the full range of shots to score at the highest level.

So you prefer pitches of Ind (2003-11) instead of present Indian pitches ?

 

[Starfighter]

Flat pitches for sure make for better player development. Batsmen learn to play long innings and bowlers earn their wickets and are forced to develop inventive ways to take wickets. If batsmen play all their lives on ****ty greentops they dont develop the full range of shots to score at the highest level.

India and Pakistan had very flat pitches in the fifties and sixties, if anything even flatter than those from the seventies on and definitely flatter than the mid 00's. They produced very few notable bowlers and they tended to be hopeless overseas where the ball moved as they weren't used to facing it.

 

[OverratedSanity]

So you prefer pitches of Ind (2003-11) instead of present Indian pitches ?

For player development, yes of course

 

[OverratedSanity]

India and Pakistan had very flat pitches in the fifties and sixties, if anything even flatter than those from the seventies on and definitely flatter than the mid 00's. They produced very few notable bowlers and they tended to be hopeless overseas where the ball moved as they weren't used to facing it.

There are far more factors at play there than just the pitches,so no. Hopelessly simplistic post.

 

[Starfighter]

There are far more factors at play there than just the pitches,so no. Hopelessly simplistic post.

Writers at the time attributed a significant part of their struggles to their pitches. They discentvised fast bowling and without movement of the ball batsmen would tend to follow it when it did move overseas.

It's your post that is the simplistic one which ignores other factors. You're proclaiming one way is better when historic precedent isn't clear on that.

 

[sunilz]

Writers at the time attributed a significant part of their struggles to their pitches. They discentvised fast bowling and without movement of the ball batsmen would tend to follow it when it did move overseas.

It's your post that is the simplistic one which ignores other factors. You're proclaiming one way is better when historic precedent isn't clear on that.

And flat pitch is also one of the major reasons of struggle of Australian batsman in overseas conditions in recent times except few players

 

[Spark]

And flat pitch is also one of the major reasons of struggle of Australian batsman in overseas conditions in recent times except few players

I think this was more true in the early 2010s tbh, and Shield pitches in those days were very very green which is why you had medium pace dobblers like Butterworth averaging 20. The last two or three seasons is when they've gotten flat again.

 

[Starfighter]

I think this was more true in the early 2010s tbh, and Shield pitches in those days were very very green which is why you had medium pace dobblers like Butterworth averaging 20. The last two or three seasons is when they've gotten flat again.

Melbourne and Perth have been flat for a long time, and Adelaide was still very flat until Burdett left, and I don't think the problems against the moving ball have gotten better - if anything they might have gotten worse.

 

[Line and Length]

There's an art in producing a good Test wicket .... one which offers assistance to the seamers on the first day and, by the fifth day, is taking spin.

 

[Spark]

Melbourne and Perth have been flat for a long time, and Adelaide was still very flat until Burdett left, and I don't think the problems against the moving ball have gotten better - if anything they might have gotten worse.

I'm talking about FC level here mostly.

I definitely think they're improved. They collapse still but remember a very credentialed batting lineup used to get shot out for double digit scores all the time. A low bar, but an improvement nonetheless.

 

[sunilz]

There's an art in producing a good Test wicket .... one which offers assistance to the seamers on the first day and, by the fifth day, is taking spin.

Such wickets don't exist except in few places in Eng /SA

 

[Spark]

Such wickets don't exist except in few places in Eng /SA

The SCG used to be like this. Hasn't in quite a while now though.

 

[Starfighter]

I'm talking about FC level here mostly.

So am I. Considering how much of each batting cohort at each time crossed eras I consider the pitches of secondary importance at best.

 

[Gob]

The kind that when seams, spins

 

[Lillian Thomson]

These days players don’t play enough on wickets that do a bit and don’t develop a good technique. On the rare occasions a pitch does a bit they get bowled out by Joe Root and blame the groundsman.