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Which type of pitches are better for longterm benefit of a Team ?

Better pitch in long term


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sunilz

International Debutant
Choose the better option. Which pitch would be more beneficial in long term ?
 

honestbharani

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Thinking there is any one kind of pitch that is beneficial is exactly what will cause any team to fail, long term.
 

OverratedSanity

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Flat pitches for sure make for better player development. Batsmen learn to play long innings and bowlers earn their wickets and are forced to develop inventive ways to take wickets. If batsmen play all their lives on ****ty greentops they dont develop the full range of shots to score at the highest level.
 

sunilz

International Debutant
Flat pitches for sure make for better player development. Batsmen learn to play long innings and bowlers earn their wickets and are forced to develop inventive ways to take wickets. If batsmen play all their lives on ****ty greentops they dont develop the full range of shots to score at the highest level.
So you prefer pitches of Ind (2003-11) instead of present Indian pitches 🤔
 

Starfighter

Hall of Fame Member
Flat pitches for sure make for better player development. Batsmen learn to play long innings and bowlers earn their wickets and are forced to develop inventive ways to take wickets. If batsmen play all their lives on ****ty greentops they dont develop the full range of shots to score at the highest level.
India and Pakistan had very flat pitches in the fifties and sixties, if anything even flatter than those from the seventies on and definitely flatter than the mid 00's. They produced very few notable bowlers and they tended to be hopeless overseas where the ball moved as they weren't used to facing it.
 

OverratedSanity

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India and Pakistan had very flat pitches in the fifties and sixties, if anything even flatter than those from the seventies on and definitely flatter than the mid 00's. They produced very few notable bowlers and they tended to be hopeless overseas where the ball moved as they weren't used to facing it.
There are far more factors at play there than just the pitches,so no. Hopelessly simplistic post.
 

Starfighter

Hall of Fame Member
There are far more factors at play there than just the pitches,so no. Hopelessly simplistic post.
Writers at the time attributed a significant part of their struggles to their pitches. They discentvised fast bowling and without movement of the ball batsmen would tend to follow it when it did move overseas.

It's your post that is the simplistic one which ignores other factors. You're proclaiming one way is better when historic precedent isn't clear on that.
 

sunilz

International Debutant
Writers at the time attributed a significant part of their struggles to their pitches. They discentvised fast bowling and without movement of the ball batsmen would tend to follow it when it did move overseas.

It's your post that is the simplistic one which ignores other factors. You're proclaiming one way is better when historic precedent isn't clear on that.
And flat pitch is also one of the major reasons of struggle of Australian batsman in overseas conditions in recent times except few players
 

Spark

Global Moderator
And flat pitch is also one of the major reasons of struggle of Australian batsman in overseas conditions in recent times except few players
I think this was more true in the early 2010s tbh, and Shield pitches in those days were very very green which is why you had medium pace dobblers like Butterworth averaging 20. The last two or three seasons is when they've gotten flat again.
 

Starfighter

Hall of Fame Member
I think this was more true in the early 2010s tbh, and Shield pitches in those days were very very green which is why you had medium pace dobblers like Butterworth averaging 20. The last two or three seasons is when they've gotten flat again.
Melbourne and Perth have been flat for a long time, and Adelaide was still very flat until Burdett left, and I don't think the problems against the moving ball have gotten better - if anything they might have gotten worse.
 

Line and Length

International Captain
There's an art in producing a good Test wicket .... one which offers assistance to the seamers on the first day and, by the fifth day, is taking spin.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Melbourne and Perth have been flat for a long time, and Adelaide was still very flat until Burdett left, and I don't think the problems against the moving ball have gotten better - if anything they might have gotten worse.
I'm talking about FC level here mostly.

I definitely think they're improved. They collapse still but remember a very credentialed batting lineup used to get shot out for double digit scores all the time. A low bar, but an improvement nonetheless.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
These days players don’t play enough on wickets that do a bit and don’t develop a good technique. On the rare occasions a pitch does a bit they get bowled out by Joe Root and blame the groundsman.
 

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