Which are the best performing batsman and bowler to tour each test country?

[subshakerz]

As the title suggests. Applicable for a post-war period and a minimum of two series need to be played by the foreign bat or bowler in that country.

 

[Slifer]

Unfair question and I'll use Larry Gomes and Brian Lara to illustrate why that is. Lara averages 41 or so in Australia vs Gomes who averages 70. But Lara in 3/4 series faced great Australian attacks. I don't think Gomes ever faced a great Australian attack down under. You'll see that repeated if you look at players' records vs WI, England etc overtime. So not fair imo.

 

[subshakerz]

Unfair question and I'll use Larry Gomes and Brian Lara to illustrate why that is. Lara averages 41 or so in Australia vs Gomes who averages 70. But Lara in 3/4 series faced great Australian attacks. I don't think Gomes ever faced a great Australian attack down under. You'll see that repeated if you look at players' records vs WI, England etc overtime. So not fair imo.

Yeah so in the case above, I would say Lara is at least as good as Golmes.

I never said just go by raw averages but take the context into account when selecting the best. The only stat measure was at least two series to have a big enough sample.

 

[wpdavid]

Best visiting bowler to England in my time may well be Terry Alderman. Maybe unfair to McGrath, Warne, Lillee, Marshall, Akram and Hadlee, but there you go, and TA's track record in English conditions is ridiculous. Best batsman is probably Steve Smith, if only because his track record isn't assisted by being surrounded by ATGs in the top order.

EDIT
Dravid's a good call by @subshakerz for the best visiting batsman too.

 

[subshakerz]

Choices I am considering:

WI:
Batsman: Not sure, maybe Amarnath?
Bowler: Imran or McGrath

England:
Batsman: Dravid or Waugh
Bowler: Murali or Alderman

Australia:
Batsman: Sachin or Viv if we consider WSC
Bowler: Hadlee or Ambrose

India:
Batsman: LLoyd or Younis Khan
Bowler: Marshall or Walsh

Pakistan:
Batsman: Crowe or Sanga
Bowler: Walsh or Murali

Sri Lanka:
Batsman: Sehwag or Inzi
Bowler: Warne or Waqar

NZ:
Batsman: Sanga or Chappell
Bowler: Not sure. Wasim?

SA:
Batsman: Kohli or Tendulkar
Bowler: Not sure.

 

[Burgey]

WI batsman is Border. His 84 series there is an ATG lone hand

 

[subshakerz]

Best visiting bowler to England in my time may well be Terry Alderman. Maybe unfair to McGrath, Warne, Lillee, Marshall, Akram and Hadlee, but there you go, and TA's track record in English conditions is ridiculous. Best batsman is probably Steve Smith, if only because his track record isn't assisted by being surrounded by ATGs in the top order.

EDIT
Dravid's a good call by @subshakerz for the best visiting batsman too.

Alderman yes. Only rival to me would be Murali.

I thought about Smith, but outside that gigantic last Ashes tour, he ranged from decent to good.

 

[subshakerz]

WI batsman is Border. His 84 series there is an ATG lone hand

I thought about Border but he had one great series and one meh series. I prefer those who have at least a couple of great series under their belt.

 

[Burgey]

Fair enough.

Same reason I don’t rate your posts.

Or your face.

 

[subshakerz]

Fair enough.

Same reason I don’t rate your posts.

Or your face.

That's unfortunate because I rate your posts.

 

[Burgey]

That's unfortunate because I rate your posts.

A man of impeccable taste ?

Unless you rate them poorly, of course

 

[subshakerz]

A man of impeccable taste ?

Unless you rate them poorly, of course

Nah you're straight from the hip, as it should always be.

I should have put Border for consideration though, now that you mention it.

 

[Flem274*]

Best bowler I've seen in NZ is Shoiab. He was a force of nature. Late, full swing at extreme pace.

Unsure on batsman. Sangakkara has played two amazing knocks on green decks that stick in the memory but he also had some very quiet games (he only scored 12 other runs for 3 dismissals in the 2014 series outside the 203 thanks to Boult).

I'm gonna go with Dravid. Played some very impressive innings against good bowlers in challenging conditions but also cashed in consistently when life was easy.

 

[Archer6K]

Touring England: Waugh
Touring India: Lloyd
Touring West Indies: Gavaskar

 

[subshakerz]

Best bowler I've seen in NZ is Shoiab. He was a force of nature. Late, full swing at extreme pace.

Unsure on batsman. Sangakkara has played two amazing knocks on green decks that stick in the memory but he also had some very quiet games (he only scored 12 other runs for 3 dismissals in the 2014 series outside the 203 thanks to Boult).

I'm gonna go with Dravid. Played some very impressive innings against good bowlers in challenging conditions but also cashed in consistently when life was easy.

I prefer Wasim in NZ. After his debut in NZ, he took a 10fer in his second test. Then in 93 he and Waqar defended 120 odd there. And then in 94 he took 25 wickets in 3 tests. In NZ, he was always at his peak of powers.

 

[subshakerz]

Touring England: Waugh
Touring India: Lloyd
Touring West Indies: Gavaskar

Gavaskar vs Amarnath and Waugh vs Dravid are toss ups.

 

[Bitmap]

Ben Stokes a pretty decent option as an allround package for SA, was MoS both the times he played.

 

[Slifer]

SL: Lara
Eng: Bradman
Australia: Kohli
RSA: Waugh (?)
WI: Waugh
India: Sobers
NZ: Javed (?)
Pak: Crowe (?)

 

[srbhkshk]

Maybe his average doesn't warrant it but Pujara should be a shout for Australia.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's unfortunate because I rate your posts.

Nice insult by omission about his face.