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What players have been caught "cheating"?

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Slow Love™ said:
There was a previous thread that dealt with the distinction between claiming a catch you know you didn't take and walking, that raised some of the issues concerned here:

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=10859
And I say exactly the same thing I said there.
What is the difference between lying and not volunteering the truth (when the truth is desirable, obviously)?
They're equally dishonest.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
Even if that was true, which it is not, it is not cheating to not leave when you know the umpire should have given you out, because it is not against the rules. The rules simply state that a batsman must leave if given out by the umpire, and that he may choose to dismiss himself at any time. He is not required to volunteer any information, and if you aren't breaking the rules you are not cheating.

Claiming a catch which you did not take is borderline, since it would count as frivolous appealing, which is something the umpire can give warnings for and is hence against the rules. And it's a far more flagrant violation of this rule than simply appealing for something that you think could have been out but probably wasn't, if you actually know that you did not catch the ball but still claim it, as in Roger Harper's case.
If you appeal for something that any fool can see pitched three feet outside leg that's cheating, simple as - it's totally impossible to miss the fact, or not know the rules.
Just because something isn't specifically stated as against the rules doesn't mean it isn't cheating the game.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Richard said:
Just because something isn't specifically stated as against the rules doesn't mean it isn't cheating the game.
Yes it is, that's exactly what it means. That is why you HAVE rules, so you can differentiate between violating the spirit of fair competition and actually cheating. Frivolous appealing IS against the rules anyway, whereas say sledging isn't. The first is cheating, the second is not, whether or not you happen to think it's a good thing to do.
 

wahindiawah

Banned
imagine said:
Former Pakistani captain Rashid Latif was also caught cheating. he claimed a catch after picking it off the ground. it was given out but tv replays later showed what he did.

It was a rare case of cheating, as i have seen numerous cases when a fileder had clamined a catch when it wasn't one and was obvious to everyone, but such fielders weren't labelled a cheat.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Richard said:
If you appeal for something that any fool can see pitched three feet outside leg that's cheating, simple as - it's totally impossible to miss the fact, or not know the rules.
Just because something isn't specifically stated as against the rules doesn't mean it isn't cheating the game.
Absolutely.
 

username1234

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
warney cant stay out of cheating if it isnt cricket it's his wife, drugs, Anti smoking contract.

on another note gariant jones claimed a couple of catches that replays suggested they bounced before he caught them in the nz vrs england series last year.
 

The Maestro

School Boy/Girl Captain
Anyone who has diving full length and "scooped" a catch knows that it can be difficult to know if you got it clean

OK shall we summarise those CAUGHT cheating?

Dyer....any arguement there? What a $%$#@ cheating %$#!!! :ranting: I still cant beleive that after all these years.

CHEAT!

Harper? I actually saw that game but didnt see the incident. Are you sure he was serial? maybe he just wasnt sure

MAYBE A CHEAT

Mark Waugh......errrrrr nah

BORING BATSMAN BUT NOT A CHEAT

Shane Warne. Come on guys. Miraculous recovery followed by testing positive for a steriod masking agent. When confronted he blurted out "My mum gave it to me" .wtf? Gimme a break 8-)

CHEAT

Latif...can anyone back that up? Not saying I dont believe you but ........

JURYS OUT

Anyone else?
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
The Maestro said:
Harper? I actually saw that game but didnt see the incident. Are you sure he was serial? maybe he just wasnt sure
He picked it up off the ground. We're not talking about a ball that pitched in front of him here, he dropped it, realised the umpire couldn't see, held it up and appealed. It sat on the ground for at least a second or two.
 

The Maestro

School Boy/Girl Captain
OK Faaaaap. You have an honest face so I'll believe you

Harper cheated! :@

So...........we have one cheat from WI, one from Pakistan, one from South Africa and two Australians :mellow:

We must be able to come up with one from each country?
 

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Herschelle Gibbs, Salim Malik and Mohammed Azharrudin - all match-fixing.
 

The Maestro

School Boy/Girl Captain
Herschelle was only convicted of/admitted to "agreeing to get out for less than 20" ...which he didnt actually follow through with I thought (ie he went out and got 20+)

I suppose that even agreeing to it to begin with IS cheating

Azza and Malik? Convicted of and/or admitted to fixing?
 

Neil Pickup

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The Maestro said:
Herschelle was only convicted of/admitted to "agreeing to get out for less than 20" ...which he didnt actually follow through with I thought (ie he went out and got 20+)

I suppose that even agreeing to it to begin with IS cheating

Azza and Malik? Convicted of and/or admitted to fixing?
Both convicted IIRC.
 

telsor

U19 12th Man
The Maestro said:
Shane Warne. Come on guys. Miraculous recovery followed by testing positive for a steriod masking agent. When confronted he blurted out "My mum gave it to me" .wtf? Gimme a break 8-)

CHEAT
How was this cheating? Show me where is the rules of cricket it says that he couldn't do this?

He was tested ( and banned ) because of Australian government rules concerning sportmen in sports that receive government support. It wasn't a 'cricket' issue, indeed, most countries didn't test cricketers ( not sure if that's changed since ).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Warne as a person, but if this thread is about cheating against the laws of cricket, he shouldn't be here.
 

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