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Wally Hammond vs Brian Lara

The better cricketer?


  • Total voters
    27

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
X factor>decent fast Medium bowling and ATG slip fielding?
The slip fielding, and to much lesser extent the bowling really does push him up for me.

I have Lara 7th as a batsman and Hammond 12th, yet overall I have the Prince 14th and Wally 15th.

He catching jumps him over Hutton and Sunny. Add in the bowling and it gets him over Chappell as well.
 

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
The slip fielding, and to much lesser extent the bowling really does push him up for me.

I have Lara 7th as a batsman and Hammond 12th, yet overall I have the Prince 14th and Wally 15th.

He catching jumps him over Hutton and Sunny. Add in the bowling and it gets him over Chappell as well.
If I may ask, can I see your top 15? (Or even top 20 if you're ok with it)
 

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Most runs in Test series(How record progressed)
1911 : Jack Hobbs - 662 runs in 5 Tests & 9 inn
1924 : Herbert Sutcliffe - 734 runs in 5 Tests & 9 inn

Wally Hammond arrived with a bang - 905 runs in 5 Tests in 1928 and was ready to take over as the best.

Next year Donald George Bradman happened - He scored 974 runs in 5 Tests 7 innings with 4 centuries and closed all arguments on who was the best ever
What Hobbs did in 1911 was just crazy, but tbh, the 20's, 30's and 40's were just insanely, disproportionately and almost unfairly flat.
 

Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
What Hobbs did in 1911 was just crazy, but tbh, the 20's, 30's and 40's were just insanely, disproportionately and almost unfairly flat.
40s were very flat. 20s and 30s were insanely flat for people who had never seen those pitches before I.e for pre 1914 players. 20s and 30s isn’t in the same bracket as 40s. Its same as 60s,70s,80s level flat pitches.
 
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kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
If I may ask, can I see your top 15? (Or even top 20 if you're ok with it)
They are a few changes for the next iteration next month, but sure.

Top 40 cricketers of All Time

Tier 1
Bradman / Sobers / Marshall / Hobbs / McGrath / Hadlee / Tendulkar / Richards

Tier 2
Warne / Imran / Steyn / Muralitharan / Smith / Lara / Hammond / Kallis / Hutton / Gilchrist / Richards* / Ambrose / O'Reilly / Lillee / Gavaskar / Wasim / Chappell

Tier 3
Headley / Ponting / Border / Donald / Sangakkara / Lindwall / Miller / Knott / Holding / Pollock / Waugh / Procter* / Pollock / Dravid / Garner

Made some of the changes, but the tier 2 guys kicks my ass to list, all really close, and changes each time.
 

The_CricketUmpire

First Class Debutant
They are a few changes for the next iteration next month, but sure.

Top 40 cricketers of All Time

Tier 1
Bradman / Sobers / Marshall / Hobbs / McGrath / Hadlee / Tendulkar / Richards

Tier 2
Warne / Imran / Steyn / Muralitharan / Smith / Lara / Hammond / Kallis / Hutton / Gilchrist / Richards* / Ambrose / O'Reilly / Lillee / Gavaskar / Wasim / Chappell

Tier 3
Headley / Ponting / Border / Donald / Sangakkara / Lindwall / Miller / Knott / Holding / Pollock / Waugh / Procter* / Pollock / Dravid / Garner

Made some of the changes, but the tier 2 guys kicks my ass to list, all really close, and changes each time.
Not sure how McGrath makes your Tier 1 and Shane Warne is in Tier 2. Surely Shane Warne, the greatest Leg-Spinner / Wrist-Spinner the game has seen makes your Tier 1?

There can be many All Time Great Fast Bowlers, but there's only one Shane Warne.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In your opinion, what do you regard as "consistency" for example the amount of 50+ scores a batsman makes?
More of an even spread across series and countries played. Lara has plenty of lean series in between mega scoring series. Lara also has several series where he makes one meaningful score and has nothing besides that.
 
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kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Not sure how McGrath makes your Tier 1 and Shane Warne is in Tier 2. Surely Shane Warne, the greatest Leg-Spinner / Wrist-Spinner the game has seen makes your Tier 1?

There can be many All Time Great Fast Bowlers, but there's only one Shane Warne.
because McGrath is better than any spinner to ever exist.
Easily.

Shane brought the personality, McGrath took the top order wickets and set up wins.

McGrath is easily better than Shane Warne for me.
 

The_CricketUmpire

First Class Debutant
Easily.

Shane brought the personality, McGrath took the top order wickets and set up wins.

McGrath is easily better than Shane Warne for me.

"Easily better than Shane Warne" You really think there is a big margin / daylight between McGrath and Warne?
 

The_CricketUmpire

First Class Debutant
More of an even spread across series. Lara has plenty of lean series in between mega scoring series. Lara also has several series where he makes one meaningful score and has nothing besides that.
Lara played in 39 Test series. He scored 250+ runs on 21 occasions= 53.8%. To me thats pretty consistent? Also, on average he scored a 50+ score every 2.8 innings. Thats pretty good I would of thought. Sure he was at times inconsistent but this notion that he was very inconsistent or "quite inconsistent".....the numbers to me don't indicate that.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Lara played in 39 Test series. He scored 250+ runs on 21 occasions= 53.8%. To me thats pretty consistent? Also, on average he scored a 50+ score every 2.8 innings. Thats pretty good I would of thought. Sure he was at times inconsistent but this notion that he was very inconsistent or "quite inconsistent".....the numbers to me don't indicate that.
Lara'a inconsistency overall was minor true.

But once you get to series he played abroad, his inconsistency across series becomes more apparent compared to the rest of the top tier. Lara was a bit of a home basher.
 

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