Viv vs hutton

[govinda indian fan]

Two of best players of their eras. Who is better

 

[subshakerz]

Viv cas he's Viv.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hutton cus he is Sir Leonard Hutton

 

[Thala_0710]

Hasn't this been done like a million times before

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Leonard

 

[Coronis]

Hasn't this been done like a million times before

Hutton vs V. Richards

Two batsmen with incredible careers. I think can get overlooked a bit, Viv for late career drop off, Hutton due to the whole Bradman overlapping his career. Who was a greater batsman?

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Len Hutton vs Viv Richards

In Tests

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Notably trundler and sayon basak have switched from Richards to Hutton this time. luffy and slifer switched to Hutton in the previous poll.

 

[kyear2]

Sir I.V.A. Richards

 

[Thala_0710]

The 1st poll- Viv wins 2:1
The 2nd poll- Equalish
The 3rd poll- Hutton wins 2:1
Shows how both of their reps have changed in the past couple of years on CW

 

[Coronis]

The 1st poll- Viv wins 2:1
The 2nd poll- Equalish
The 3rd poll- Hutton wins 2:1
Shows how both of their reps have changed in the past couple of years on CW

I think Hutton and Viv have been more like Root and Kohli the last two years

 

[capt_Luffy]

The only reason Viv was ever ahead was because no one was really batting for Hutton like multiple did for Viv

 

[subshakerz]

Viv averaged 50 batting at no.3 in a pace friendly era while striking at 70. Don't think anyone is cricket aside from him could achieve that.

 

[sayon basak]

Viv averaged 50 batting at no.3 in a pace friendly era while striking at 70. Don't think anyone is cricket aside from him could achieve that.

Strike rate is his biggest selling point, I agree.

 

[kyear2]

Strike rate is his biggest selling point, I agree.

It's but one.

He's very arguably, the greatest batsman against fast bowling in the history of the game.

He's had one of the top 3 peaks, if not the greatest in the games history.

His strike rate, ability to turn a game in a session and dominance over the ATG bowlers is his era just adds to it.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Viv averaged 50 batting at no.3 in a pace friendly era while striking at 70. Don't think anyone is cricket aside from him could achieve that.

Without a helmet too

 

[Coronis]

Viv averaged 50 batting at no.3 in a pace friendly era while striking at 70. Don't think anyone is cricket aside from him could achieve that.

I think if Bradman increased his SR to 70 he’d still manage it.

 

[subshakerz]

I think if Bradman increased his SR to 70 he’d still manage it.

Bradman is already a separate class but not sure on the SR point.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Viv dominating ATG pace attacks is the biggest myth about him. The only truly ATG level attack of his era was the one he didn't have to face. Having a good record against Lillee or Hadlee is fine but nothing exceptional when it's just individual ATG pacers and the attack around them is merely decent. The all round quality of the post war Australian attacks Hutton dominated was just better than anything viv faced.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv dominating ATG pace attacks is the biggest myth about him. The only truly ATG level attack of his era was the one he didn't have to face. Having a good record against Lillee or Hadlee is fine but nothing exceptional when it's just individual ATG pacers and the attack around them is merely decent. The all round quality of the post war Australian attacks Hutton dominated was just better than anything viv faced.

Viv dominated the individual ATG pacers and allround great (maybe not ATG) attacks like Eng 76 and 81, Aus 79 and Pak 80.

And it was actual domination. Not slowpoke run scoring like Hutton.

 

[kyear2]

Viv dominating ATG pace attacks is the biggest myth about him. The only truly ATG level attack of his era was the one he didn't have to face. Having a good record against Lillee or Hadlee is fine but nothing exceptional when it's just individual ATG pacers and the attack around them is merely decent. The all round quality of the post war Australian attacks Hutton dominated was just better than anything viv faced.

And what outside of that Australian attack? There's nothing apart from that attack.

Not to mention the first half of Hutton's career, actually the majority of his career was played on the deadest of pitches in the history of the game.

I love Hutton, more than most here, but he didn't consistently dominate great attacks more than Viv, no one did.

Qadir gets flack for his away record, as does (relatively) Imran, but despite how it was achieved, there's been very few greater challenge than facing those two in Pakistan during the late 70's into 80's.

Similarly Lillee and Thompson during the late 70's in Australia and Lillee on those drop in green pitches favored for WSC. Lillee and Thompson during that brief period was the most terrifying partnership in cricket up to that point in the game.

Hadlee at home too was no less efficient if obviously less physically threatening. He made NZ a challenge at home if not a full contender.

Peak Botham too was a menace and of course he was paired with Bob Willis.

Viv has a better record against great and ATG bowlers than almost anyone from among the BAB contenders. From memory (from Johan's posts) Sobers comes close, with Tendulkar and Lara being a bit behind. I honestly don't recall what Smith's are.

To say it was just solo acts and not combos, takes both ridiculously out of context.

 

[subshakerz]

And what outside of that Australian attack? There's nothing apart from that attack.

Not to mention the first half of Hutton's career, actually the majority of his career was played on the deadest of pitches in the history of the game.

I love Hutton, more than most here, but he didn't consistently dominate great attacks more than Viv, no one did.

Qadir gets flack for his away record, as does (relatively) Imran, but despite how it was achieved, there's been very few greater challenge than facing those two in Pakistan during the late 70's into 80's.

Similarly Lillee and Thompson during the late 70's in Australia and Lillee on those drop in green pitches favored for WSC. Lillee and Thompson during that brief period was the most terrifying partnership in cricket up to that point in the game.

Hadlee at home too was no less efficient if obviously less physically threatening. He made NZ a challenge at home if not a full contender.

Peak Botham too was a menace and of course he was paired with Bob Willis.

Viv has a better record against great and ATG bowlers than almost anyone from among the BAB contenders. From memory (from Johan's posts) Sobers comes close, with Tendulkar and Lara being a bit behind. I honestly don't recall what Smith's are.

To say it was just solo acts and not combos, takes both ridiculously out of context.

And the Indian spin quartet.