thierry henry
International Coach
Also is Neesh a certainty all of a sudden...if we need an extra bowler there’s always, errrr...Williamson and Phillips
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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Flem274*
123/5
i don't think munro is a certainty. i think his eye is going. iirc his highest score last year was exceptionally fortunate, plus he's so easy to york. if he has a great big bash then by all means, but kane and conway are better players. if anything i think he could come in for ross. i also still rate seifert.
guptill
seifert
kane
conway
phillips
neesham
santa
jamieson
sodhi
ferguson
boult
ross
cdg
chapman
um
i like that first eleven. world cups require cake, and conway dominated the super smash so we know he can find the boundary.
guptill
seifert
kane
conway
phillips
neesham
santa
jamieson
sodhi
ferguson
boult
ross
cdg
chapman
um
i like that first eleven. world cups require cake, and conway dominated the super smash so we know he can find the boundary.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Real chance for Chapman to go. His bowling could be handy over there too.
Williamson averages 38.5 when opening in T20Is compared to 27.8 elsewhere.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Juz open with Conway. Taylor maybe hit or miss but he could still pull an unbelievable knock in a key game. And if you wanna replace Taylor, maybe someone like CdG who has been in IPL squads and knows the grounds and stuff will be useful.
thundaboult
International Debutant
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...son-signs-threeyear-contract-with-usa-cricket
Sad to see him go, but best of luck to him. Gotta do what you gotta do to be happy....such a promising talent. Maybe USA cricket will go after Adam Milne too as he is in the same situation as Corey pretty much.
Sad to see him go, but best of luck to him. Gotta do what you gotta do to be happy....such a promising talent. Maybe USA cricket will go after Adam Milne too as he is in the same situation as Corey pretty much.
MichaelJ2000
Cricket Spectator
Watched 18-year old Aditya Ashok make his premier club debut in Auckland cricket today. 14 wickets in the day. As an 18 year old in your first game. Simply unplayable. The incumbent Auckland A spinner Dane Watson bowled from the other end too and the difference in ability was unreal. Start getting excited guys! The next big NZ spin hope has arrived!
MichaelJ2000
Cricket Spectator
I'll just touch on what I saw - to give you guys an insight as to how he operated. He bowls a really good pace for a kid. 80-85km/h, and he does spin it, and has a good wrongun (which I think a lot of you guys were already aware off), but what got me really excited was the flight he operated with. He was able to get it above the eye-line and to get the dip to draw the batters in. Unflappable when batters took him on too. Just stuck to his stock ball, didn't look like he panicked. Just trusted his best ball and consistently took wickets throughout the day. 7 in each innings on a decent club wicket (Suburbs batted first and scored 350) was truly remarkable. I saw Ish a lot playing for Papatoetoe at a similar age, just before he played 19s and then for ND. There's no comparison - Ashok is miles ahead at the same age.
Moss
International Vice-Captain
Yeah this is a bit sad, and Anderson’s case is a real “what-might-have-been” story, he was a true rough diamond who never stayed on the park long enough to acquire the right amount of polish. Then again, till around the UAE tour 2 years ago you’d have a repeat situation in which Corey would be ‘fit’ once more, come right back into the team (usually T20), struggle to make an impact, and then be out injured all over again. So probably mutually beneficial for both parties - the selectors did invest a fair bit in him but can finally move on, and from Anderson’s POV it’s obviously a good thing for his personal situation, hopefully even his professional situation.
Did think he would go the T20 mercenary route but I guess his dire performances in the CPL might have forced him to take stock.
Sorry I missed this but which club does he play for? Also, is there a link to his stats for the day?
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I remember Dane Watson looking really promising in that 2014 U19s team, in the lead up, not so much the actual Dubai tournament IIRC. Featured in a few Kippax videos.
How has he been going?
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Ashok can bat as well. Seems like a very handy player and leg spinners are hard to come by. Hope Auckland doesn't stuff him up. At the moment Auckland has Sommerville and Delport. Both very good bowlers and over 30 years as well. I get it's very hard for Auckland to get Ashok in at the moment but if he's that good as you say he'll force his way in no doubt. Hope they don't bring him into super smash first up. Best to give him a go at ford trophy and then to get him into other two formats. Keep off from T20s for the next couple of years at least otherwise it may impact his ability to dip the ball.
MichaelJ2000
Cricket Spectator
Ashok plays for Suburbs New Lynn (one of the Blackcap factories of Auckland Cricket). Here is the link to the scorecard: https://www.crichq.com/matches/873625/1st_innings
MichaelJ2000
Cricket Spectator
Dane Watson is one of the guys I really liked the look of when he was being talked up a few years ago, I have followed him closely over the last few years. He is always there or thereabouts in the Auckland/Auckland A setup, but has been a bit of a victim of Auckland's preference to recruit rather than develop spinners. Skills-wise he was probably better at 18 tbh. He's become more of a wannabe Jeets style wicket-to-wicket bowler (probably to try and get a crack in white-ball stuff?). Has lost a lot of the spin/drift that got people excited about him early on. At 26 and with his lack of progress I'd say the ship has sailed on him being anything more than a decent club bowler
Also just did a quick google and looks like he has a little hemp start-up so maybe cricket wasn't his big interest: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/12/kiwi-startup-invests-in-hemp-hats.html
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
@Bahnz made a post about not liking the idea of selecting a batsman-spinner and four specialist quicks at home because it'd hamper the development of local spinners by crushing their incentives, but I don't really think selection should be about encouraging people to bowl spin. It should be about winning.Dane Watson is one of the guys I really liked the look of when he was being talked up a few years ago, I have followed him closely over the last few years. He is always there or thereabouts in the Auckland/Auckland A setup, but has been a bit of a victim of Auckland's preference to recruit rather than develop spinners. Skills-wise he was probably better at 18 tbh. He's become more of a wannabe Jeets style wicket-to-wicket bowler (probably to try and get a crack in white-ball stuff?). Has lost a lot of the spin/drift that got people excited about him early on. At 26 and with his lack of progress I'd say the ship has sailed on him being anything more than a decent club bowler
Also just did a quick google and looks like he has a little hemp start-up so maybe cricket wasn't his big interest: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/12/kiwi-startup-invests-in-hemp-hats.html
What's really hampering the development of spinners is the pitches in the Plunket Shield. Tim Johnston should not be averaging over 50 with the ball in the First Class cricket, and I refuse to believe the only reason he is is because he's failed to live up to his potential. Somerville was basically deemed a failed domestic prospect until he popped back up in Australia and did well; then he was suddenly a Test option. That experience should have been sobering for NZC.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I do think 15mm of grass is taking the piss a bit - the spinners wouldn't be in the game after 10 days in those kinds of conditions, let alone 5. But you're right, overall. The pitches in the plunket shield seemed to be heading in the right direction for a few years, with Ajaz, Sodhi and Tastle all featuring prominently in the wickets charts. But in the past few seasons things have started heading back to the bad old days of spinners only featuring when the pitches are so flat that the quick bowlers cbf. Things obviously worse than usual last year with Covid knee-capping the Autumn leg of the PS, but in general things have gotten a bit too trundler-friendly.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Perfectly put... trundler friendly where anyone with about 115-120 k can take wickets bowling anywhere on the deck. That's way too much loaded for trundlers.
Flem274*
123/5
yea agree with everyone above. we only want the genuinely good trundlers like mcewan taking wickets. this seasons pitches puts an asterix next to the likes of sheat (medium fast more like but still) and williams. need to see them both on a few flat ones.
you can't have cdg or daryl mitchell being as effective as lockie ferguson, because one of those styles is the obvious easier way to extend your career.
you can't have cdg or daryl mitchell being as effective as lockie ferguson, because one of those styles is the obvious easier way to extend your career.