Yeah but Aaron Smith is a far greater rugby player (decent chance to make an all-time AB side) than Paine is a cricketer.Sure they can. Tim Paine's (legal and consensual) personal life literally does not matter and it should not be permitted to matter, otherwise we all exist at the whim of malicious media muckrakers.
pretty sure Aaron Smith was stand in skipper at least once for the All Blacks in the post-disabled bathroom era, and they're a far better and more prestigious team than the Australian cricket team.
After getting fired for stealing though wasn't it. Sounds like the drowning man dragging it with him
That’s fine if it was 3 years agoyes. and it's that simple. dick pic + complaint about dick pic including proof of dick pic + the actual world finding out = paine out as captain, and anyone who thinks there could be any other result has rocks in their brain
Because the media was able to run the story. That's it. Someone, and all accounts suggest not the actual receiver, has been able to provide enough detail to allow the media to run with it. fwiw, the 9fax papers have been clear in saying media were aware of the rumours for years but clearly the papers didn't have enough to run with it until now.That’s fine if it was 3 years ago
Keep in mind that I am someone who believes that the test team should have been gutted after losing to India
I don’t care whether Paine plays for Australia ever again based on performance let alone for something he was cleared for years ago
Steve Waugh/Michael Clarke/Darren Lehmann's CA sanctioned mental disintegration sledging/abuse tactics don't look good in the age of mental health awareness (as opposed to action and funding).Ricky Ponting being upset after a DRS call or whatever is of course not comparable to possible ***ual harassment
I think this thread is a pretty good example of how having a board that is about 90% male, at the very least, can perhaps lead to a thread that is slightly out of touch. Tim Paine whipping it out to a woman who has then said she didn't much appreciate that is not a pile of nothing to quite a lot of people.
Like, it's open and shut. Paine couldn't stay on and he knew it.
Yep, exactly right. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but the Australian captain can't send **** pics. It clearly matters to sponsors, to a certain majority of the public, etc. Flem's analogies with Ponting etc don't work, because despite his desire to umpire, and get fired up on field, it's nothing like this. And Aaron Smith was the All Black captain 5 years after the bathroom incident, as well.being captain of the Australian test team isn't being about the best possible captain. it's about being the model player, someone whose mug you can stick on every advert, poster and video game cover. they're the figurehead of the game. it's why shane warne didn't get the gig and it's why steve smith isn't an automatic return. paine clearly couldn't continue in his role the moment news broke that he sent a dick pic and the receiver complained about it.
now, I happen to think the biggest failure of the post-Steve Smith captaincy has been not doing anything about the God-like status we give to the test team captain, it needs to be destroyed and from there, who knows maybe Paine could have survived, but I didn't see Tim Paine and the CA board doing anything to have the captain be treated like a mortal over the past 3 years
I still laugh whenever I see the term "dick pic" used in a serious argument like this one.Yep, exactly right. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but the Australian captain can't send **** pics. It clearly matters to sponsors, to a certain majority of the public, etc. Flem's analogies with Ponting etc don't work, because despite his desire to umpire, and get fired up on field, it's nothing like this. And Aaron Smith was the All Black captain 5 years after the bathroom incident, as well.
Paine should count himself lucky that he got to captain Australia much at all, given the circumstances. If he feels aggrieved, I'd suggest he should feel more gratitude that it didn't get out until now. Again, not necessarily my viewpoint that it should affect his captaincy - although I wouldn't like to think Kane Williamson was texting a dick photo on the eve and morning of his first Test as captain post McCullum.