Barney Rubble
International Coach
steds said:
Yeah, awesome. And let's not forget the "F***ing Mexicans!!" scene. 
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The England Thread
- Thread starter Barney Rubble
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Yeah, awesome. And let's not forget the "F***ing Mexicans!!" scene. 
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Most great goalscorers score a lot of penalties, and a lot of the time you'll find great goalscorers win most of these penalties themselves, I don't have the stats to hand but of the 14 penalties he took last season, I think Johnson was directly involved for about 8 or 9, often in positions where a man with his finishing ability (which can't be doubted) would have almost certainly scored. Discrediting penalties from a player's goalscoring record is ludicrous.
You can't ignore the simple fact that Johnson and Ashton played in sides of a very similar standard last season and when they were both playing in the Premiership, Johnson scored 12 to Ashton's 7. And he has only scored 5 times for West Ham thus far, which is not good enough to take a striker the World Cup - I touted his name about myself recently I must admit, but having looked into it, while I don't doubt he can score great goals and has a lot of talent, I would rather have Johnson in the team simply because he is good at being in the right place at the right time, and if it came down to it, in the 90th minute of a match, I know which player I'd rather have running into the 6 yard box to finish a move off - Johnson
Alas, Ashton's career record is slightly better (Johnson has 1 more goal from less appearances) but Johnson's record at Birmingham was poor, at Palace his record is slightly better than 0.5 goals per game
Each to their own, but as someone who grew up watching the mighty John Aldridge, I can't help but love someone who has a knack for scoring goals, however he happens to get them.
You can't ignore the simple fact that Johnson and Ashton played in sides of a very similar standard last season and when they were both playing in the Premiership, Johnson scored 12 to Ashton's 7. And he has only scored 5 times for West Ham thus far, which is not good enough to take a striker the World Cup - I touted his name about myself recently I must admit, but having looked into it, while I don't doubt he can score great goals and has a lot of talent, I would rather have Johnson in the team simply because he is good at being in the right place at the right time, and if it came down to it, in the 90th minute of a match, I know which player I'd rather have running into the 6 yard box to finish a move off - Johnson
Alas, Ashton's career record is slightly better (Johnson has 1 more goal from less appearances) but Johnson's record at Birmingham was poor, at Palace his record is slightly better than 0.5 goals per game
Each to their own, but as someone who grew up watching the mighty John Aldridge, I can't help but love someone who has a knack for scoring goals, however he happens to get them.
Barney Rubble
International Coach
The major argument I have here is about why you think I'm discrediting penalties from his record. The reason I'm saying they should be discounted is not for any reason other than that the penalties he took, and scored, could just as easily have been scored by any other player in Palace's side.GeraintIsMyHero said:
He might deserve credit for winning some of those penalties, but on at least a few occasions they were won by blatant dives, and there's no guarantee at all he would have scored from those positions had the penalty not been given. A record of roughly 10 goals from open play in 38 games certainly doesn't indicate the most clinical of finishers, and that's what he'd have ended up with had Palace had another penalty-taker in the side (they actually did have Danny Granville, but IIRC he was injured when they won their first penalty of the season, so Johnson took it and just carried on for the rest of the season).
My view of him is also affected by the fact that I saw him at Fratton Park last season and, up against a pretty poor Pompey defence, he was shocking. Granted, his record on the face of it is pretty good, but personally I'll never rate him.
Barney Rubble
International Coach
1 goal every 2 games in the Premiership = England standard, give or take.roseboy64 said:
1 goal every 2 games in the Championship = work to do.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Not if you're French, no.Matteh said:
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
A goal every two and a half games for that France team isn't very good international standard - still no Wigan, Sunderland, Middlesbrough Reserves etc. to fill his boots against there so what do you expect.Matteh said:
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
And unlike chief poseur he isn't the out and out forward whenever he plays (Owen for England or horse/Saha etc. for Manure), so you're wasting your time if you try and allude to his goal-scoring record.marc71178 said:
