The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Burgey]

https://youtu.be/2CkmyyPiBD0

 

[sunilz]

Kohli is already ATG according to wisden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_Leading_Cricketer_in_the_World#Multiple_winners

Smith is yet to open his account .

 

[Burgey]

Neither would have Ponting, Gilchrist, Warne , Lillee here . Please answer the question , who is better spinner ?

Lyon is better here, Jadeja is better in trashville.

Now.... https://youtu.be/2CkmyyPiBD0

 

[TheJediBrah]

4th innings stats are only useless where you use them with no context and cite player A was better because he averaged 67 in the 4th innings (while conveniently forgetting the majority of those came when the match was already dead)

However, the 4th innings knocks which come when the game is still alive going into the final day and which give your team a chance to win/draw are probably the most difficult and under-pressure runs anyone can get.

Do you think Smith would be a better player if he made a higher proportion of his runs in the 4th innings then? Which would mean he would make less runs in the 1st & 2nd innings assuming his overall stats stayed the same.

 

[Burgey]

Kohli is already ATG according to wisden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_Leading_Cricketer_in_the_World#Multiple_winners

Smith is yet to open his account .

Lol Warne won it twice... god you’re a fool

 

[sunilz]

Lyon is better here, Jadeja is better in trashville.

Now.... https://youtu.be/2CkmyyPiBD0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_Leading_Cricketer_in_the_World#Multiple_winners

Wisden says Kohli.

 

[Burgey]

I’m asking your opinion. It’s always amusing

 

[sunilz]

Lol Warne won it twice... god you’re a fool

And Smith 0 . Which means if Kohli retires today , he is already ATG because of his dominance in all the 3 formats . And if Smith retires, he won't be because he is an average cricketer in other 2 formats.

 

[ankitj]

Amazing how many people missed Sunilz's point. He was clearly not saying Smith not having 4th innings century makes him a lesser batsman (not at least in the initial post, after that it became hard to follow). He was only saying that you shouldn't **** on a 4th innings hundred because no matter how good you are -- even if you are Smith -- they are hard to come by. Everyone went ultra defensive about Smith rather than addressing the point. Typical Aussie touchiness.

 

[morgieb]

Amazing how many people missed Sunilz's point. He was clearly not saying Smith not having 4th innings century makes him a lesser batsman (not at least in the initial post, after that it became hard to follow). He was only saying that you shouldn't **** on a 4th innings hundred because no matter how good you are -- even if you are Smith -- they are hard to come by. Everyone went ultra defensive rather than addressing the point. Typical Aussie touchiness.

Yeah that point is fine, what came after it is a problem though.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Amazing how many people missed Sunilz's point. He was clearly not saying Smith not having 4th innings century makes him a lesser batsman (not at least in the initial post, after that it became hard to follow). He was only saying that you shouldn't **** on a 4th innings hundred because no matter how good you are -- even if you are Smith -- they are hard to come by. Everyone went ultra defensive about Smith rather than addressing the point. Typical Aussie touchiness.

No one missed his point he just ruined it by raving on about random irrelevant **** for the next 2 pages

 

[ankitj]

Yeah that point is fine, what came after it is a problem though.

Yeah, so what was so hard to understand that point and respond to that? **** just hit the ceiling after that. Sunilz of course was being sunilz and giving it back.

 

[sunilz]

Yeah that point is fine, what came after it is a problem though.

And that became a problem because AUS fans soon got ultra defensive and said runs scored in 2nd innings don't matter, AUS always produces flat tracks for IND, Kohli is closer to Mark Waugh as test batsman .

 

[morgieb]

Yeah, so what was so hard to understand that point and respond to that? **** just hit the ceiling after that. Sunilz of course was being sunilz and giving it back.

I mostly didn't see it in fairness. Sounded more like he was arguing Smith was an inferior batsman to Kohli because of his fourth innings record without any context.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah, so what was so hard to understand that point and respond to that? **** just hit the ceiling after that. Sunilz of course was being sunilz and giving it back.

They get all pissy at him, respond with snarky condescension and then are surprised when he dishes it back. Typical.

 

[ankitj]

No one missed his point he just ruined it by raving on about random irrelevant **** for the next 2 pages

See the very next post by Stephen. God, how can you be so touchy about someone as good as Smith.

 

[stephen]

My only point about the pitches was that 14/15 pitches were unusually flat across the country, which made Smith and Kohli's efforts in that series not quite as impressive as Smith's efforts in India 2017, the Ashes 2017/18 and this Ashes.

I was actually talking down Smith if anything.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah, so what was so hard to understand that point and respond to that? **** just hit the ceiling after that. Sunilz of course was being sunilz and giving it back.

I ****ing did respond to that but by the time I had the chance sunilz had managed to post half a dozen crazy ass bull*** comments that varied from vaguely related to completely irrelevant so not surprising that you missed it completely

See the very next post by Stephen. God, how can you be so touchy about someone as good as Smith.

you know I'm not stephen right?

 

[ankitj]

My only point about the pitches was that 14/15 pitches were unusually flat across the country, which made Smith and Kohli's efforts in that series not quite as impressive as Smith's efforts in India 2017, the Ashes 2017/18 and this Ashes.

I was actually talking down Smith if anything.

No, your point was ... I don't know... see yourself:

I'm really not sure what your point is?

Is it that he still has areas of his game to work on?

Is it that he tends to make enough runs in the first innings so his side doesn't need him to ton up in the 4th innings?

Is it that he's a first innings bully?

All of these are true btw. Still doesn't stop him from averaging nearly 65.

 

[sunilz]

My only point about the pitches was that 14/15 pitches were unusually flat across the country, which made Smith and Kohli's efforts in that series not quite as impressive as Smith's efforts in India 2017, the Ashes 2017/18 and this Ashes.

I was actually talking down Smith if anything.

Ashes 2017/18 wasn't flat ? This is why Mitch Marsh and Shaun Marsh scored so many runs
The Ashes, 2017/18 Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com