pasag
RTDAS
Granted, but he's still not great.
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The 2000 years
- Thread starter James
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Yep. Was gonna say "India usually produce a spinner of some note most of the time" (in fact, that's something I've been meaning to ask SJS or Anil about for ages... was there much in between the end of the famous quartet in the late '70s and the emergence of Kumble in 1990?) too, and Chawla looks a pretty good bet for the next one after Kumble.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Yeah Rob summed it up pretty well. Hoggard will be looked back on as a great bowler, but not a great, simple enough.
cover drive man
International Captain
I thought I summed that up no offense.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
KP & Asif are the obvious candidates for greatness in my estimation, with Mrs Pietersen's little boy obviously being infinitely more of a showman, but I'm a little suprised Monty hasn't at least been mentioned. I think genuine greatness may just be beyond him, but he is box office & I think he'll prove himself to be our best spinner since Deadly*.
*Insert your own "that's like being Saudi Arabia's leading downhill skier" joke if you wish.
*Insert your own "that's like being Saudi Arabia's leading downhill skier" joke if you wish.
Flem274*
123/5
Shane Bond? debut 2001 IIRC
Damn injuries.....
OK I'll stop the Bond loving now.
Malinga looks to be very good, i don't like Tait's chances though. He lacks accuracy and that leads on to a lack of consistency which is a must for a great. (This isn't me trying to be a Aus hater BTW I'm just being logical)
Damn injuries.....
OK I'll stop the Bond loving now.
Malinga looks to be very good, i don't like Tait's chances though. He lacks accuracy and that leads on to a lack of consistency which is a must for a great. (This isn't me trying to be a Aus hater BTW I'm just being logical)
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Dare I mention Adil Rashid...
Flem274*
123/5
If you want.....who is he? Excuse my ignorance but I don't have the greatest knowledge of up and coming subcontinent cricketers.Dare I mention Adil Rashid...
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Have to say, I've never seen him swing it either. Prodigious seam, yes but not any swing that I've seen.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Young up and coming allrounder who bowls leg spin and bats at either 6 or 7.
UncleTheOne
U19 Captain
gifted but raw yorkshire, england under 19 and england A leg spinning all rounder.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
When Pakistan were playing SA in the one dayers quite recently he was swinging it a mile.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
This may seem as a surprise but I think Eoin Morgan could be a damn fine player in a few years time.
UncleTheOne
U19 Captain
he's very talented but his high backlift has got him into a trouble a few times for middlesex, needs working on. billy godleman though puts eoin in the shade at middlesex.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah apologies he did swing it under lights at Durban but Kingsmead at night is very different beast to Asif’s performance in the other ODI's, where he seamed it yards but not much in the way of conventional swing.
James
Cricket Web Owner
Is Monty really alongside Vettori to that degree? They're both superb players for their country, but when you put them up against the best spin bowlers of all time, they don't get close.
At least in Vettori's guess I think it does, but I suppose Monty having just started out, could well turn into a great with what he's shown so far.
Brings the question into play - what actually makes you a "great" player?
I've only seen Asif bowl a few times. Hopefully he doesn't run into the same injury problems as Shoaib has.
Give Monty time, he's only a year into his test carear and he's already ticked all the boxes so far including Australia. as Cricinfo's article earlier in the week showed the start to his test carear has been statistically up there with the very best.
He's a super-hard worker so his bowling is only gonna get better.
For a finger-spinner to become know as 'a great' in the modern game would take an awful lot, but with the impact he's had so far I dont think its completely out of Monty's reach.
He's a super-hard worker so his bowling is only gonna get better.
For a finger-spinner to become know as 'a great' in the modern game would take an awful lot, but with the impact he's had so far I dont think its completely out of Monty's reach.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
What has impressed me with Monty is that you can genuinely see improvement in him from when he first started. He obviously works hard at his game & his enjoyment is very palpable. He's only 25 too, a child in spinning terms, so there should still be further improvement yet.
I think India will be a real test of his progress as he had a fairly ordinary start to his test career over there (not terrible, but not fantastic either) and (no disrespect intended) they should be better players of SLA than the Windies.
I think India will be a real test of his progress as he had a fairly ordinary start to his test career over there (not terrible, but not fantastic either) and (no disrespect intended) they should be better players of SLA than the Windies.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Monty won't be great, it is too hard for a finger spinner to become a great in todays game and I don't think he has the ability to run through a side like Warne, Muralitharan, Kumble and even Harbhajan do and have shown in the past. I know he is young but I just don't think he is lethal enough to be considered a great.
Craig
World Traveller
Well I was too slow to bring that one up. What i was going to say.Shane Bond? debut 2001 IIRC
Damn injuries.....
OK I'll stop the Bond loving now.
Malinga looks to be very good, i don't like Tait's chances though. He lacks accuracy and that leads on to a lack of consistency which is a must for a great. (This isn't me trying to be a Aus hater BTW I'm just being logical)