Test XI for The Last Quarter Century

[Mr Miyagi]

Citing Vaughan as a cricket expert and trying to earn sympathy for suffering the same plight as him is a new low

Honestly if your opinions are mirrored by Vaughan then you need to look yourself in the mirror and think about where you are going wrong

What are you on about? The topic I am discussing has segued from you and me discussing Dhoni and Buttler, to Vaughan running a poll about the Buttler and Dhoni and being systemically trolled for it and the way it has been reported.

If you still want to talk about me personally; be it me seeking sympathy, hitting a" new low" or anything else, that is your topic to discuss. Not mine, and I won't participate in it.

 

[cnerd123]

lmao this is ridiculous. Just let it go.

You feel Butler is better than MSD. We get it. IDK what you want now.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm pretty sure Vaughan himself is basically a troll who loves the attention

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I'm pretty sure Vaughan himself is basically a troll who loves the attention

He had a fair idea,

'The Indians will go nuts because they’ll say ‘there’s MS Dhoni’

But its the way its the way the trolling is done, the content and why, and the way it is reported (so widely) that intrigues me.

 

[cnerd123]

If you want to discuss trolling in cricket, create another thread for it, and maybe i'll share my views, if inclined

 

[Daemon]

Anyone in their right mind would pick Buttler over MSD based on form.

Overall though it's really not close.

 

[Jack1]

I still can't get iver the bloke who picked Russell

Perfect for my strategy considering I want to bowl him for as few overs as possible. I suggest you check his stats. He’s absolutely miles clear of 4th best strike rate in the history of ODIS, there’s actually a huge gap between him and 2nd placed Maxwell. Also a very good fielder which provides extra balance (along with his bowling).

If you can’t understand the pick then you aren’t the smartest. Teams are opinions, but to claim to not understand that pick at all is just you being arrogant considering his all round skills.

 

[Jack1]

Yeah, I mean presumably ATG XIs would have more frequent drug testing and there's no way a steroid-free Dre Russ could be good enough. Without the steroids he's basically a less-coordinated Stuart Binny.

Lol

 

[Jack1]

No, I have difference of opinion on team selection philosophy to you. Neither of us are wrong.

You have built your team one way. I have built mine another way. There are many more differing philosophies from us in how to construct these teams too.

Mr Miyagi... very good poster. Can tell all your arguments are about opinions and we have both never said are teams are better just the best in our opinion and the ones that we like. Some (not all of course) others are claiming picks to be wrong and their teams better as if it’s fact, which is rather childish.

 

[Burgey]

If you want to discuss trolling in cricket, create another thread for it, and maybe i'll share my views, if inclined

Stop feigning deigning.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Perfect for my strategy considering I want to bowl him for as few overs as possible. I suggest you check his stats. He’s absolutely miles clear of 4th best strike rate in the history of ODIS, there’s actually a huge gap between him and 2nd placed Maxwell. Also a very good fielder which provides extra balance (along with his bowling).

If you can’t understand the pick then you aren’t the smartest. Teams are opinions, but to claim to not understand that pick at all is just you being arrogant considering his all round skills.

Love it. Sounds exactly like something I would say myself.

 

[trundler]

It bugs me how much better (or easier) batting has gotten over the last 3 WCs alone. I mean, look at child prodigies, naturally talented, and dominant batsmen like Ponting and Lara in ODIs and they look like nothing players now. Is Kohli really that much better compared to his peers or does a lot of that have to do with the way the game is played now? Ponting was really ****ing awesome in ODIs and if era adjustment is taken into account, he cant be much worse now can he? Also, Saqlain was better than Warne in ODIs, imo. He had the highest WPM in ODIs which is incredible for a spinner since spinners usually have lower strike rates.

 

[trundler]

How about opening with Ponting and Sachin?

 

[trundler]

Also, an all time ODI XI gives you a slight problem. The top 2 bowlers of all time are useless with the bat, and then there's Murali so you cant #BatDeep

 

[Bolo]

2018 Ponting would actually be pretty terrific too hey. Never thought about it, but he could very well have been Kohli-esque with better fielding.

2018 Bevan would have been so good. Basically Mike Hussey who bowled some useful chinamen.

A team picked to play 2018 rules with their natural skillsets, but having time to adapt might look pretty different. It's all about going aerial now, or stopping it.

Ponting would be a beast.

Bevan would be much better with the ball but wouldn't see the same level of improvement as someone with Ponting with the bat.

Klusenar as well I reckon- his cutters would be way more effective, but had too much power to see huge improvements with the bat.

I reckon Jaya would go the opposite route and get murdered as a bowler but do really well with the bat.

 

[cnerd123]

I reckon Bevan would have added the big hitting to his game if he was a 2018 batsman.

Like I think he'd be a more clutch, more ruthless Mike Hussey.

 

[Bolo]

It bugs me how much better (or easier) batting has gotten over the last 3 WCs alone. I mean, look at child prodigies, naturally talented, and dominant batsmen like Ponting and Lara in ODIs and they look like nothing players now. Is Kohli really that much better compared to his peers or does a lot of that have to do with the way the game is played now? Ponting was really ****ing awesome in ODIs and if era adjustment is taken into account, he cant be much worse now can he? Also, Saqlain was better than Warne in ODIs, imo. He had the highest WPM in ODIs which is incredible for a spinner since spinners usually have lower strike rates.

Kohli is better compared to his peers than Ponting by far. Kohli has AB in the same tier as him, and then daylight. Ponting had a lot of comparable peers.

The stats can show you this pretty easily. Kohli is way ahead of everyone other than AB. Ponting is similar to a lot of players, and actually behind a number. Not that they are a complete reflection of worth, but it gives a picture.

Ponting was a slightly better test bat than an ODI bat. Kohli is a much better ODI bat than a test bat.

 

[trundler]

Ponting was a pretty great ODI captain too. Better than Waugh in ODIs, imo. 2018 Ponting would be a beast, indeed. Especially since Harbhajan's retired.

 

[trundler]

Kohli is better compared to his peers than Ponting by far. Kohli has AB in the same tier as him, and then daylight. Ponting had a lot of comparable peers.

The stats can show you this pretty easily. Kohli is way ahead of everyone other than AB. Ponting is similar to a lot of players, and actually behind a number. Not that they are a complete reflection of worth, but it gives a picture.

Ponting was a slightly better test bat than an ODI bat. Kohli is a much better ODI bat than a test bat.

Well, Dhawan's catching up in ODIs. De Kock's getting there. I admit that they're still budding players. Ponting was only behind Sachin in his time. Sachin was miles clear of anyone else, sort of like but not to the extent that Viv was better than everyone else. I just cant see Ponting being too far behind Kohli if he was playing right now. In tests, peak Ponting wrecks Kohli. The guy was better than Lara and Sachin at their best at his best (in tests).

 

[vcs]

Ponting's ODI captaincy and fielding were great. He'd walk in as No. 3 in my ODI 2nd XI and I'd probably make him captain.