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Tell me how a Kane Williamson is an ATG?

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Aussie_Giant

Cricket Spectator
Usually when an opposition does well in a tour to Australia, they get an additional test but somehow Kiwis have managed to get a 4 test schedule next year despite getting whitewashed home and away for fun.

The question is will they show some fight this time or continue to get fizzled Down Under?
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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As if this thread wasn't cancerous enough, the ad at the top informs me some Act Party scum are openly running in a local election rather than just hiding behind their ratepayer association fronts.

I think an ad for a libertarian local election candidate is perfect for this subforum tbf. Lots of spreadsheets, zero critical thinking.
 
Adders

Adders

International Coach
What a read lol. Love CW and its part of my life but fmd the cricket chat sometimes is just bizarre.......I mean how can you guys seriously debate who is an ATG or not when no one agrees on what an ATG is. Have that debate first ffs.

Kane Williamson is an absolutely incredible batsmen, walks into any side in the world during his playing career and that is not debatable. Yes you can pick holes in his stat's as you can with say Ponting, Warne, J Anderson, Root etc etc I class all of those as atg so KW absolutely makes my cut.......if he doesn't make yours well **** hot for you. Youve just set different parameters. You don't have to be the 2nd Don or Malcolm Marshall to be rated amongst the best ever.

Oh and @Majestic get in the bin.......absolutely dire input from you.
 
Uppercut

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OverratedSanity said:
Williamson is both an undoubtedly great player but also has some pretty huge holes in his record that most all time greats don't. The scheduling luck is only partly true imo, he's had quite a few disappointing tours to the better teams in his peak years and when it comes to rating him among the very best this will obviously matter. It's likely his away record would be better if he'd gotten more chances, but it's still a pretty generous benefit of doubt to give anyone.
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It's not that it's wrong, it just belongs in a different tier of argument. The best batsmen are the ones that score thousands of runs at ridiculous averages. When we're nitpicking between those batsmen we all have our own ideas of what matters, whether it's home/away splits, performance against the best teams, era adjustments, condition difficulty adjustments, technique, aesthetics, strike rate, longevity, peak level, reputation among contemporaries, whatever. But surely we can agree that the best batsmen are the ones that score loads and loads and loads of runs. Like Williamson.

RIS already gave the TLDR version:

Red_Ink_Squid said:
Williamson is an ATG 'cause he good at cricket and score big runs, bigger runs than other players who also good at cricket.
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honestbharani

honestbharani

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Uppercut said:
It's not that it's wrong, it just belongs in a different tier of argument. The best batsmen are the ones that score thousands of runs at ridiculous averages. When we're nitpicking between those batsmen we all have our own ideas of what matters, whether it's home/away splits, performance against the best teams, era adjustments, condition difficulty adjustments, technique, aesthetics, strike rate, longevity, peak level, reputation among contemporaries, whatever. But surely we can agree that the best batsmen are the ones that score loads and loads and loads of runs. Like Williamson.

RIS already gave the TLDR version:
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FFS. I did it before RIS.


honestbharani said:
by being an all time great batsman.
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Gob

Gob

International Coach
Adders said:
What a read lol. Love CW and its part of my life but fmd the cricket chat sometimes is just bizarre.......I mean how can you guys seriously debate who is an ATG or not when no one agrees on what an ATG is. Have that debate first ffs.

Kane Williamson is an absolutely incredible batsmen, walks into any side in the world during his playing career and that is not debatable. Yes you can pick holes in his stat's as you can with say Ponting, Warne, J Anderson, Root etc etc I class all of those as atg so KW absolutely makes my cut.......if he doesn't make yours well **** hot for you. Youve just set different parameters. You don't have to be the 2nd Don or Malcolm Marshall to be rated amongst the best ever.

Oh and @Majestic get in the bin.......absolutely dire input from you.
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Calm down
 
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