Steve Bucknor retires - how would you rate his Umpiring?

[Precambrian]

That's not the question I'm asking. He's been diabolical for the last year-and-a-bit; he was also poor between 2002/03 and 2004/05. However, the question I'm asking is how did he compare to others over his career.

He undid all his good work in his last few years.

 

[Richard]

He undid all his good work in his last few years.

I know what you are saying, but in my opinion, he has irrevocably downgraded his status in my eyes due to his last couple years. When you don't have faith in an umpire's ability to give a fair result, I don't think you can drop any lower as an umpire. IMO of course, as evidenced by the poll - a larger percentage of people disagree with that statement.

Well you see, for me the past is past. No amount of later paucity can undo earlier excellence (or goodness). Ditto no earlier amount of excellence will change the fact that someone was poor later on, or no amount of acquired excellence will make the person concerned's earlier poorness any less poor.

If Bucknor had been poor for ages having been good only for a short time, you could fairly say that the poor overrides the good, but I'm really not sure that's the case here.

Also I tend to think Indian fans have a somewhat misguided idea of him. There's no doubt he's fully responsible for Indian mistrust of him as not only has he had plenty of poor games which have gone against India but he's behaved poorly to some Indian players (Dravid in 2003/04; Patel in 2004/05). Nonetheless, the same as above applies here; however poor he's been in India games, it's irrelevant to what he's done in other matches.

Likewise, Sri Lanka and Pakistan have full and legimitate reason to be distrustful of Darrell Hair and I completely supported their wishes to not have him stand in any games involving them. However, they had no right to stop him standing in games involving others, as he'd always done a more than acceptable job there.

 

[silentstriker]

If Bucknor had been poor for ages having been good only for a short time, you could fairly say that the poor overrides the good, but I'm really not sure that's the case here.

Also I tend to think Indian fans have a somewhat misguided idea of him. There's no doubt he's fully responsible for Indian mistrust of him as not only has he had plenty of poor games which have gone against India but he's behaved poorly to some Indian players (Dravid in 2003/04; Patel in 2004/05). Nonetheless, the same as above applies here; however poor he's been in India games, it's irrelevant to what he's done in other matches.

Yea, I think that's fair enough. My opinion of him is colored because I watched him for Indian matches, so perhaps I did not accurately judge his overall abilities as an umpire. Because, frankly, I only rarely remember him being good.

 

[Precambrian]

Well you see, for me the past is past. No amount of later paucity can undo earlier excellence (or goodness). Ditto no earlier amount of excellence will change the fact that someone was poor later on, or no amount of acquired excellence will make the person concerned's earlier poorness any less poor.

If Bucknor had been poor for ages having been good only for a short time, you could fairly say that the poor overrides the good, but I'm really not sure that's the case here.

Also I tend to think Indian fans have a somewhat misguided idea of him. There's no doubt he's fully responsible for Indian mistrust of him as not only has he had plenty of poor games which have gone against India but he's behaved poorly to some Indian players (Dravid in 2003/04; Patel in 2004/05). Nonetheless, the same as above applies here; however poor he's been in India games, it's irrelevant to what he's done in other matches.

Likewise, Sri Lanka and Pakistan have full and legimitate reason to be distrustful of Darrell Hair and I completely supported their wishes to not have him stand in any games involving them. However, they had no right to stop him standing in games involving others, as he'd always done a more than acceptable job there.

Precisely for the reasons you mentioned, he is such a terrible umpire.

 

[tait express123]

Steve Bucknor was IMO a great umpire he was strict but still a great umpire and pioneer of the game.

 

[biased indian]

think has was very good umpire but he over stayed..he would have done to take an example out of venkat and retired at the rite time...last 5-6 years he has been going down

 

[biased indian]

just noticed this ...a user who has joined in dec 2008 with no post only logged in to vote in this thread ??? Silent One

 

[Evermind]

just noticed this ...a user who has joined in dec 2008 with no post only logged in to vote in this thread ??? Silent One

He must really, really hate Bucknor.

 

[Craig]

Where is the option for "I could do better blindfolded, with earplugs, high on meth"?

So have you put your money where your mouth is?

To so some of the Indian fans - build a bridge and get over it, we all cop **** calls at times. There I said it.

In saying that though I think he should of quit at the end of the 2007 World Cup.

 

[Craig]

I know what you are saying, but in my opinion, he has irrevocably downgraded his status in my eyes due to his last couple years. When you don't have faith in an umpire's ability to give a fair result, I don't think you can drop any lower as an umpire. IMO of course, as evidenced by the poll - a larger percentage of people disagree with that statement.

So will Rahul Dravid be a lesser player now considering how long he went whilst been out of form? If he does, then people are morons.

 

[G.I.Joe]

So have you put your money where your mouth is?

To so some of the Indian fans - build a bridge and get over it, we all cop **** calls at times. There I said it.

Isn't it already time for you to throw out your toys again and make your zillionth post in the Grinding Gears thread?

 

[Precambrian]

So have you put your money where your mouth is?

To so some of the Indian fans - build a bridge and get over it, we all cop **** calls at times. There I said it.

In saying that though I think he should of quit at the end of the 2007 World Cup.

Utter load of crap you speak there mate. Indian fans can indeed be angry at Bucknor considering the sheer number of decisions gone against them in their matches, though I am not suggesting bias. So come down from your high horses mate.

 

[andyc]

Somewhere in between 'moderate' and 'pretty good,' ideally, but whatever. There's plenty of worse umpires out there.

 

[Zinzan]

Hard to vote on this Poll IMO since Bucknor was a more than decent umpire up until around 2002-03 but has been total mud ever since

 

[Richard]

Actually he hasn't. He has indeed been poor for more of the time than not since then but he had a short renaissance between 2005 and 2007. I never saw him make an out-of-the-ordinary number of errors in that time.

 

[silentstriker]

So will Rahul Dravid be a lesser player now considering how long he went whilst been out of form? If he does, then people are morons.

I remember Rahul being excellent. I don't remember Bucknor ever being more than decent.

Plus, poor umpiring affects more than yourself (or your team in case of players), it devalues the sport. The people in charge of umpires have a responsibility to kick them out when it happens.

 

[Richard]

And bring in more people who are going to do just as bad if not worse?

No, what's needed is to make Umpiring easier. That, FTR, is my way - not this referrals nonsense.

 

[silentstriker]

And bring in more people who are going to do just as bad if not worse?.

I doubt they couldn't find anyone better than Bucknor of last two years.

 

[Richard]

The trouble is, Umpires are like players - you can't predict when they're going to start going downhill.

In any case, it's very possible there wouldn't be anyone significantly better.

 

[silentstriker]

The trouble is, Umpires are like players - you can't predict when they're going to start going downhill.

In any case, it's very possible there wouldn't be anyone significantly better.

I didn't say significantly, though I doubt that too, considering his recent performances.