South Africa team selection

[Stefan9]

Would assume if they add a batsman it would be mulder.

 

[SeamUp]

Think its important we beat Pakistan 3-0 and Sri Lanka 2-0 so we keep in touch with India in the test match rankings before we go there this year.

 

[Stefan9]

So who gets the gig of captain with faf out assuming all 3 of markram,amla and elgar are fit?

 

[SeamUp]

Would go Dean Elgar even though Aiden Markram is heir apparent. Just want Aiden to focus on his own batting for a while longer.

Feels like ages since we've had an official vice-captain. Since the whole Amla/AB captaincy I reckon.

 

[Dendarii]

There possibly is someone who is the designated vice-captain but they just never bother telling us because it's largely irrelevant, except in situations like this.

 

[SeamUp]

There possibly is someone who is the designated vice-captain but they just never bother telling us because it's largely irrelevant, except in situations like this.

I just always remember :

Cronje to Wessels
Matthews to Cronje
Various stages G.Kirsten/Kallis/Boucher/Prince to S.Pollock/Smith

But since that period I can't remember official vice-captains. Was AB vice to Amla for example. Maybe it is the modern way to not really put it out there.

 

[Stefan9]

Not sure aus have two official vice captains and England have a named one as well.

 

[SeamUp]

gibson not worried about 'fantastic' de bruyn

it was hoped that after his impressive maiden test century (101) in sri lanka, this would be the series theunis de bruyn would kick on and cement his place in the national side.

Proteas coach ottis gibson has no concerns over the current form of theunis de bruyn. The incumbent number four batsman theunis de bruyn has had an underwhelming series against pakistan.

It was hoped that after his impressive maiden test century (101) in sri lanka, this would be the series he would kick on and cement his place in the national side.

However, scores of 29, 10, 13 and four against pakistan will disappoint the 26-year-old right-hander who has been prolific in domestic cricket over the last few years.

His test average after eight tests is a lowly 19.33 but gibson has no apprehension about the player.

“i think he's a fantastic player and he's shown in sri lanka, in those tough condition what type of player he is.”

“he’s had a couple of failures, but i can tell you when i saw him just now in the dressing room and he is not disheartened.”

“he knows that's the nature of the game you play, you're not going to score runs all the time and he's fine. He's going to be okay.”

his teammate temba bavuma echoed the sentiments of the coach.

“i think we all back theunis at number four, he has a strong record of scoring big hundreds. There is not too much worry from everyone around him because we know he is a quality player and on his day, he can do wonderful things.”

with captain faf du plessis suspended for one match, this could mean zubayr hamza will make his debut at the wanderers on friday. The cape cobras players averages just over 49 in first class cricket, he bats at three for his franchise and it remains to be seen where he would fit into the proteas batting line-up.

Interestingly, bavuma said on after day two that he would choose number four as his preferred batting position for the national team if he was forced to choose.

“i enjoy number four, that’s where i bat for my franchise the lions, so if i chose the position i would choose number four.”

 

[SeamUp]

Test side

Potential order to test team so far this season with SA A selection in mind ?

* (limited overs) might be preferred option.

Openers ranking

1. Pieter Malan
2. Eddie Moore
3. Janneman Malan (limited overs)
4. Reeza Hendricks (limited overs)
5. Gihahn Cloete (limited overs)
6. Ryan Rickelton (limited overs)

Middle order

1. Zubayr Hamza
2. Wiaan Mulder
3. Rudi Second
4. Rassie van der Dussen (limited overs)
5. Heinrich Klaasen (limited overs)
6. Pite van Biljon (limited overs)
7. Keegan Petersen
8. David Bedingham

 

[StephenZA]

Test side

Potential order to test team so far this season with SA A selection in mind ?

* (limited overs) might be preferred option.

Openers ranking

1. Pieter Malan
2. Eddie Moore
3. Janneman Malan (limited overs)
4. Reeza Hendricks (limited overs)
5. Gihahn Cloete (limited overs)
6. Ryan Rickelton (limited overs)

Middle order

1. Zubayr Hamza
2. Wiaan Mulder
3. Rudi Second
4. Rassie van der Dussen (limited overs)
5. Heinrich Klaasen (limited overs)
6. Pite van Biljon (limited overs)
7. Keegan Petersen
8. David Bedingham

Janneman seems to be doing the job at FC level as well? Not sure van Biljon should really be in reckoning at this stage.

 

[SeamUp]

Janneman seems to be doing the job at FC level as well? Not sure van Biljon should really be in reckoning at this stage.

Just going on franchise output for van Biljon and others. Crazy that he has 10 franchise 100s in 31 games. Only one not on franchise 4-day output is Rickelton but he performed to a high standard so it will be great to see him get a chance as he may climb that list.

Rassie vd Dussen averages 45 in franchise FC cricket but I still think he is better suited to limited overs cricke. For me, what I've seen I think Janneman is a better white ball player but definitely can still play tests.

 

[SeamUp]

Franchise averages

Matches
Runs
Average
100s/50s
HS

Openers

P.Malan
41
2551
36.44
8/15
195

Moore
29
2022
43.02
5/11
151

J.Malan
7
564
51.27
2/2
168

Hendricks
88
5070
32.71
12/23
157

Cloete
44
2463
31.99
4/11
135


Middle-order

Hamza
19
1308
46.71
3/8
121

Mulder
14
693
46.20
2/2
127

Second
60
3816
42.40
9/18
210

van der Dussen
49
3232
44.27
5/21
175

Klaasen
21
1342
40.66
3/7
195

van Biljon
31
2485
48.72
10/11
177

Petersen
27
1778
43.37
5/8
165

Bedingham
6
382
42.44
2/1
112


The closest to pushing into this group is these 3 who are young and they just need some hundreds.

The rest are either not really in recognition despite 40+ average like (Van Jaarsveld, Cook) or been in the 30s average after many games (Vallie, Chetty, Behardien, Smith, Muthusamy, Erwee, Zondo, Vandiar of which Smith/Muthusamy can do a P.Malan)

Verreynne
17
971
46.23
0/7
89

Qeshile
8
431
43.10
0/4
99

Van Tonder
2
122
30.50
0/2
57

 

[GRAB]

My hypothetical A side at around the time of the 2nd test was:
J. Malan (22); Cob
P. Malan (29); Cob
Hamza (23): Cob
Van der Dussen (29); Lio
Verreyne (k) (21); Cob
Qeshile (19); War
Muthusamy (24); Dol
E. Bosch (20); Dol
Phehlukwayo (22); Dol
B. Hendricks (28); Cob
Bokako (25); Cob

Shamsi (28); Tit
Klaasen (27); Tit
Second (c) (29); Kni
Sipamla (20); War

Of course Mulder wasn't fit then so he'd probably replace Bosch? Keegan Petersen and Moore have probably pushed ahead too since then... (Am aware there are 4 keepers in that 15).

 

[StephenZA]

Trying to move this discussion from the tour thread....

Based off current team.

Markram, Elgar, Amla, Hamza, Faf, Bavuma, QDK, Piedt/Muthusamy, Maharaj, Rabada, Steyn seems a reasonable team for India.

Of course. Philander. Mulder, von Berg, and de Bruyn all come into consideration. Pitch dependant selection.

 

[Stefan9]

For me mulder ahead of hamza and piedt starts.

This ofc assumes hash stays for this tour.

 

[StephenZA]

For me mulder ahead of hamza and piedt starts.

This ofc assumes hash stays for this tour.

Bavuma at 4? Faf seems entrenched in the no 5 position.

 

[Bahseph]

It would be in India's best interests to have pitches that are only moderately favored to spin but still good to bat on if you get in. Unfortunately our batsmen haven't been able to experience what it feels like to bat long in ages,and skewing the pitch in favor of spin really brings Keshav into the game. And Keshav is quality, with the Indian batsmen not really being that great against spin themselves.

 

[Bahseph]

Basically I feel as if our bowling has enough quality that they will be okay. Even if Piedt plays. (can someone get Harmer back in the set up for the tour? Haha). But putting up 400+ scores is foreign to us at the moment.

 

[StephenZA]

Query, does QDK keep the gloves long term in the SA test team? I ask this because we have a number of wk batsmen running around the FC level that are scoring runs and I'm wondering if they have a shot at the team only if QDK stops keeping?

 

[Stefan9]

Query, does QDK keep the gloves long term in the SA test team? I ask this because we have a number of wk batsmen running around the FC level that are scoring runs and I'm wondering if they have a shot at the team only if QDK stops keeping?

Only if we have no batsmen coming through. Else QDK sticks with the gilly role.