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South Africa A in India

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I am going by how he is playing and not the averages. I have no idea what their first class averages are. In India first class averages stopped mattering ages ago.

Have you heard of a player called Ajay Sharma. He played a bit for India as a spinner who could bat. He averages above 60 in his longfirst class career. Far above most of crickets greats over the last 200 years !!
Granted I haven't had the opportunity to see either batsman play, but the last time Parthiv Patel was tried at Test level he proved that he wasn't up to it. Besides, Badrinath has been consistently putting runs on the board for every team he plays in, so it would make more sense if he got a chance over Parthiv, who also happens to be a wicket-keeper. Three wicket-keepers in a side is definately not an option for me.

Yes I have heard of him.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Oh I havent seen them batting lately. But I have seen a lot of Parthivand a bit of Badrinath. Parthiv is a really compacy stroke meker. He plays almost all strokes and plays them with class and style. So if Parthiv gets big runs it has to be somthing very good to watch.

In the few chances he got in international cricket to showcase his batting he not just showed a lot of pluck but looked very much a part as a batsman. One innings against Pakistan in Pakistan and one in Australia stand ou. So not only does he play well he can play well against top bowlers.

All that had not been seen was a consistency and big scores. Now that seems to be coming.

As far as first class records go, Dinesh Kaarthik's first class record was not as great as some real big scorers in Indian domestic circuit still he was given an opportunity at the top level as batsman. You see more than just scores when assessing players in the lower ranks for their suitability for the top most echelons of the game.
Badrinath has been the standout performer for India A over the past few seasons, consistently making runs in a variety of conditions against a variety of attacks. Since he was dropped from the national side, Parthiv has done virtually nothing of note apart from the recent knocks against Zimbabwe and Kenya (which mean very little) and now this one against South Africa (which does mean something). Besides, as Perm mentioned, there will be a place for middle-order batsmen soon whereas we already have two keepers established in the national side. That said, I hope Parthiv keeps up the good work - he can definitely make a return.
Granted I haven't had the opportunity to see either batsman play, but the last time Parthiv Patel was tried at Test level he proved that he wasn't up to it. Besides, Badrinath has been consistently putting runs on the board for every team he plays in, so it would make more sense if he got a chance over Parthiv, who also happens to be a wicket-keeper. Three wicket-keepers in a side is definately not an option for me.
Parthiv wasn't up to it with the gloves.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Parthiv wasn't up to it with the gloves.
If we can play karthik as a batsman we can play anyone else.

When they are playing as batsmen where is the question of playing three keepers in the side.

Weare already playing three if we count Dravid. :)

I rest my case its my opinion against yours so lets leave it at that, shall we please.
 

adharcric

International Coach
If we can play karthik as a batsman we can play anyone else.

When they are playing as batsmen where is the question of playing three keepers in the side.

Weare already playing three if we count Dravid. :)

I rest my case its my opinion against yours so lets leave it at that, shall we please.
That's fine. Badrinath is a far superior batsman to Patel, in my opinion.
 

adharcric

International Coach
South Africa A collapsed from 122 for 2 to 145 all out with Mishra and Ojha combining for 6 for 39 in 23 overs. Pankaj Singh just took the first wicket to halt the follow-on and India A look set for an innings victory here.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If we can play karthik as a batsman we can play anyone else.

When they are playing as batsmen where is the question of playing three keepers in the side.

Weare already playing three if we count Dravid. :)

I rest my case its my opinion against yours so lets leave it at that, shall we please.
Dravid isn't a real wicket-keeper, like Dhoni, Karthik and Patel. I do respect your opinion, as you've got a better knowledge of Indian players than me, I just shudder at the thought of three specialist wicket-keepers in a Test side. I was never a fan of Karthik being in the side when he was first selected as a specialist batsman, but I'm warming to the idea.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
South Africa A collapsed from 122 for 2 to 145 all out with Mishra and Ojha combining for 6 for 39 in 23 overs. Pankaj Singh just took the first wicket to halt the follow-on and India A look set for an innings victory here.
Brilliant bowling from Ojha and Mishra, some pretty decent batsman in that South African team. South Africa 'A' now struggling at 28/2 in their second innings, still 415 runs behind.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Dravid isn't a real wicket-keeper, like Dhoni, Karthik and Patel. I do respect your opinion, as you've got a better knowledge of Indian players than me, I just shudder at the thought of three specialist wicket-keepers in a Test side. I was never a fan of Karthik being in the side when he was first selected as a specialist batsman, but I'm warming to the idea.
Thanks for the compliment :)

But tell me. Why should there be three?

We are talking of the possibility of one of these guys coming into the side. If that means the playing Xi then surely it can only be at someone else's cost. Well that someone could be Karthik you know.

In fact, its highly unlikely to be someone else as at this point of time.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Thanks for the compliment :)

But tell me. Why should there be three?

We are talking of the possibility of one of these guys coming into the side. If that means the playing Xi then surely it can only be at someone else's cost. Well that someone could be Karthik you know.

In fact, its highly unlikely to be someone else as at this point of time.
Actually, if we had to replace anybody in the Test batting lineup at the current point of time then I think it would be Laxman, hence meaning there was three wicket-keepers in the side. Karthik has done a fantastic job opening for India, so I don't think there is any real need to replace him, atleast not in the close future.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
India have some very good spinners in the country and it must be a tough job to pick between them. Front runners would be Harbhajan, Powar and Chawla but Ojha churns out performance after performance for India A - not to mention Amit Mishra who took 3-10 in the first innings!

I guess only someone watching the game can truly tell how good the fast bowlers are bowling but they will probably all be targeting the under scrutiny spot of Ajit Agarkar in ODIs and one of the two 'other' spots (other than Zaheer Khan) in Tests. After disappointing in the first innings, it is good to see that the pacers are doing well in the second innings, judging by figures.

To be honest, I did not expect India A to do this to South Africa A, this is an absolute thrashing so far and South Africa will have to pull something ridiculous out of the bag to draw this game (weather permitting).
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Oh I havent seen them batting lately. But I have seen a lot of Parthivand a bit of Badrinath. Parthiv is a really compacy stroke meker. He plays almost all strokes and plays them with class and style. So if Parthiv gets big runs it has to be somthing very good to watch.

In the few chances he got in international cricket to showcase his batting he not just showed a lot of pluck but looked very much a part as a batsman. One innings against Pakistan in Pakistan and one in Australia stand ou. So not only does he play well he can play well against top bowlers.

All that had not been seen was a consistency and big scores. Now that seems to be coming.

As far as first class records go, Dinesh Kaarthik's first class record was not as great as some real big scorers in Indian domestic circuit still he was given an opportunity at the top level as batsman. You see more than just scores when assessing players in the lower ranks for their suitability for the top most echelons of the game.
Well, I know better than to doubt your judgements and opinions and quite frankly, I haven't seen much of Badrinath at all. But I have seen a lot of Parthiv and I do agree that he is a good compact little batsman. I am not sure if he would fare much as an opener or whatever and we have to consider his fielding abilities, because he looked laden footed as a keeper, so I don't see how we can expect much from him as a fielder...

Badrinath is labelled as a very good fielder and is thought of very highly especially as a close-in catcher, which would be a great add on for the Indian side if he does make it, because we have been in need of a good one there ever since Chopra was dropped.

The thing is, if Parthiv is the next best batting option India has apart from the guys in the senior side, we are in trouble BIG TIME. For, as good as Parthiv is, I just don't see him scoring double centuries or 150s and winning games for us...
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Well, I know better than to doubt your judgements and opinions and quite frankly, I haven't seen much of Badrinath at all. But I have seen a lot of Parthiv and I do agree that he is a good compact little batsman. I am not sure if he would fare much as an opener or whatever and we have to consider his fielding abilities, because he looked laden footed as a keeper, so I don't see how we can expect much from him as a fielder...

Badrinath is labelled as a very good fielder and is thought of very highly especially as a close-in catcher, which would be a great add on for the Indian side if he does make it, because we have been in need of a good one there ever since Chopra was dropped.

The thing is, if Parthiv is the next best batting option India has apart from the guys in the senior side, we are in trouble BIG TIME. For, as good as Parthiv is, I just don't see him scoring double centuries or 150s and winning games for us...
To be honest I havent seen Badrinath so my comments on Parthiv are independent of how Badrinath bats.

No I dont know if he is the next best bet. We may have others in the pipeline but we need to see more of them and they need to perform consistently over time. Ubfortunately opportunities against world class bowling are limited and domestic cricket is devalued by the absence of the international stars.

Zaheer decides to play a few games and see what happens to those who score such massive hundreds by routine.

This A tours are a good thing. It does give a better idea of our next line. I wish we sent an A team to Australia. There must be something planned for sure. I also dont like these A-tour matches being so very high scoring. Puts one in a bit of doubt about the conditions. But it is still the best platform we have.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
To be honest I havent seen Badrinath so my comments on Parthiv are independent of how Badrinath bats.

No I dont know if he is the next best bet. We may have others in the pipeline but we need to see more of them and they need to perform consistently over time. Ubfortunately opportunities against world class bowling are limited and domestic cricket is devalued by the absence of the international stars.

Zaheer decides to play a few games and see what happens to those who score such massive hundreds by routine.

This A tours are a good thing. It does give a better idea of our next line. I wish we sent an A team to Australia. There must be something planned for sure. I also dont like these A-tour matches being so very high scoring. Puts one in a bit of doubt about the conditions. But it is still the best platform we have.
yeah, I would rather have the BCCI think about A tours to Australia and England than plan the champions leagues of the world... As bad as I think the ICL would be, I do genuinely wish they do well, simply because the BCCI is much worse, IMO...
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
yeah, I would rather have the BCCI think about A tours to Australia and England than plan the champions leagues of the world... As bad as I think the ICL would be, I do genuinely wish they do well, simply because the BCCI is much worse, IMO...
Yeah.A successful ICL would have kept BCCI on their toes and made them move into doing things they may have neglected otherwise.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Well, I know better than to doubt your judgements and opinions and quite frankly, I haven't seen much of Badrinath at all. But I have seen a lot of Parthiv and I do agree that he is a good compact little batsman. I am not sure if he would fare much as an opener or whatever and we have to consider his fielding abilities, because he looked laden footed as a keeper, so I don't see how we can expect much from him as a fielder...

Badrinath is labelled as a very good fielder and is thought of very highly especially as a close-in catcher, which would be a great add on for the Indian side if he does make it, because we have been in need of a good one there ever since Chopra was dropped.

The thing is, if Parthiv is the next best batting option India has apart from the guys in the senior side, we are in trouble BIG TIME. For, as good as Parthiv is, I just don't see him scoring double centuries or 150s and winning games for us...
Well, I have watched him a few times. Badrinath is indeed a solid fielder at cover/point and short leg. He can play his strokes like most premier batsmen in India but most importantly, he can rotate the strike and is consistent in a variety of conditions.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Well, I have watched him a few times. Badrinath is indeed a solid fielder at cover/point and short leg. He can play his strokes like most premier batsmen in India but most importantly, he can rotate the strike and is consistent in a variety of conditions.
I would love to see him really. I hope he is does not disapoint as that other middle order batsman from the South who broke through around the early Chappell/late Wright period.

Forget his name. :@
 

adharcric

International Coach
I would love to see him really. I hope he is does not disapoint as that other middle order batsman from the South who broke through around the early Chappell/late Wright period.

Forget his name. :@
Venugopal Rao?
 

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