subshakerz
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Check the context of the two series Australia drew from 99 to 2007. One rain affected series, the other without McWarne. Outside of that, they won 40 out of 43 games. That win level is insane.
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Smith SA (away) or Kohli's India (home): Which had the more impressive record?
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capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Really good record. But India also have played significant amount of series without Bumrah and Ashwin, Jadeja, Kohli everyone has missed matches. Injuries is a part of a game, your best players can miss matches; that's where bench strength comes in. Which Australia had ridiculously high for batting back then; but not really much for bowling. Overall, drawing both the series is on them (and they were actually lucky to not have lost the India one).
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How many series did they play without Jadeja and Ashwin together? That would be the equivalent of no McWarne.
Arachnodouche
International Captain
But SA beating up on an Australian side in transition twice is? Interesting.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes. Check out their Melbourne victory in 2008. And saving the game in Adelaide in 2012.
Far more heroic than simply serving up the same spiced wickets and waiting for Ashwin and Jadeja to get the job done.
Slifer
International Captain
That was by design. Wi played 2/3 of their series in the 80s away. For example in a 10 year period they played Australia 5 times: 4 away and once at home. Why? Money and quite frankly fear. Pakistan that drew with WI in 1988 was impressive but WI were no where near their peak and missing : Lloyd, Garner and Holding.
Make no mistake, India has been more dominant at home percentage wise but give more teams from the 80s more tests in the Caribbean and they'd have been blanked. And tests back then, if time was loss due to rain etc, there were no such things as starting the match early or extended sessions. Case in point, Australia's tour to the WI in 1984. That wouldve/should've been a 5-0 white wash had time been made up after losing play due to weather.
Anyway to answer the question, I'd say it's honestly a toss up. India's streak at home is the most dominant and unprecedented but it also takes a special team to go undefeated away over an extended period of time. And RSA was going undefeated away vs decent Australian and Indian teams. Neither have ever been slouches at home.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
As it is from the late 70s to end 80s, WI played 30 games and lost 1.
PaulLennon
U19 Captain
Eng 2021 - no Jadeja/Shami
Aus 2023 - no Pant/Bumrah
Eng 2024 - no Shami/Pant/Jadeja for a match
PaulLennon
U19 Captain
2016 NZ, 2016 Eng, 2019 SA, 2024 Eng were very very fair wickets. India's record in those series are 11-1 with 1 match lost by 20 runs.
Spicy wickets actually enabled Aus to win matches in both 2017 and 2023. On fairer wickets in those series they were found wanting.
Also Shami, Bumrah, Siraj, Bhuvi, Umesh etc have outbowled all visiting pacers by a huge margin - these include Rabada, Cummins, Anderson, Broad, Southee, Boult etc.
Don't be so salty about "spicy" wickets. Also SA's reign away streak ended in brutal fashion when a team of Amla, ABD, Steyn, Faf were destroyed 3-0 by a rookie Indian team in 2015 (would have been 4-0 if not for rain). Ind's home streak is still going (and is not likely to be broken soon considering how the strongest contenders were defeated by a team in transition in 2023 and 2024).
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
India have been dominant at home. That isn't necessarily heroic though, where they battle tough odds. Instead they have started every test as favorites. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
That's all good. Though should be mentioned that SA side was missing Smith and Kallis who were critical for their reign away. Steyn also broke down.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Exactly. Ashwin and Jadeja have never been collectively missing for a series like the McWarne example.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Avoid this argument in current capacity, it's pointless because India's run hasn't ended yet......and you can't compare apples with oranges. It's like comparing a bowler with a batsman. You have to compare the whole record, not selected bits and pieces to suit a certain agenda.
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
SA won in Aus
then lost to Aus in SA
then drew to Eng in SA
then drew a 2 test series in India
then drew 0-0 in UAE
then allowed India to draw in SA
then allowed Australia to draw in SA
then allowed SL to win a test in SA
This is how South Africa performed over a whole 3-4 year period!
How is this anyway comparable to India winning every single series at home and recently managing to at least draw every series away (besides NZ).
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
If a team wins a series away then loses to same team at HOME, it's not an achievement. You are back to square one.
It's almost same as winning at home and losing away.
Net home away result is 1-1.
It's almost same as winning at home and losing away.
Net home away result is 1-1.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You missed the entire point of the thread.
SA's away record is achievement in itself. The fact that they couldn't match this at home is another separate issue.
Otherwise, I can say that India away losses discredits their entire home record.
I also noticed how you stopped the period just as SA were about to win in NZ, Eng and Aus on the trot and won a slate of home series.
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subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In the period in question, India lost in SA in 2018 and 2022, lost heavily in England in 2018 and were whitewashed in NZ in 2020. Also lost two WTC finals. So they also have a spotty away record.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I mean, yes, they count.
2-0 results are now these?
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Australia doesn't gets brownie points from me neither for not having both of their frontliners nor for having a decent reserve. Like, I can assure you, even if Ashwin and Jadeja doesn't plays in a series, with the likes of Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep, Axar, etc and will still most likely win.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Umm no, right after SA's away wins, Australia again beat SA in SA in 2013.
England too beat SA in SA in the return series in 2015.
So it's like India winning away in Pakistan and then losing the return home series in India. And then India winning in SL against Murali and then somehow losing the return series in India.