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Should the ICC pay International Cricketers?

TNT

Banned
I think each nation should play only three 3 match test series (total 45 days of test cricket in a year), four 4 match odi series (16 days of odi cricket in a year) and four 3 match t20 series (12 days of t20 in a year). That is enough bilateral cricket in a year for permanent ICC nations. Rest of the time they should be allowed to participate in various t20 leagues. Let's face it, this is the future of cricket. ..of course load will increase when there is an ICC world t20 or 50 over tournament, but the players can cope with that as that happens only once in 2 and 4 years respectively.
So Aus and Eng cant play their lucrative five test series reducing the amount of revenue they make which reduces their ability to pay their players giving football a helping hand. This is to make cricket a weak sport in all countries so they are on a even footing I assume.
 

TNT

Banned
PCB don't even listen to their own government and people expect the ICC to take control. Skimming off profits from successful domestic competitions so boards like the PCB can waste it on frivolous expenses is just plain crazy. The PCB already employs 1000 people, get rid of half of them and pay the cricketers a bit more, problem solved.

LAHORE: Ignoring recent orders by the government on not to buy new vehicles, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is in the process of purchasing two luxury vehicles with a total cost of Rs12.5 million for the use of higher officials. Sources in PCB told APP on Wednesday that the order for the vehicles has been placed and delivery is expected soon.
A purchase order worth Rs7.5 million has been placed to buy a Honda jeep for Chief Operating officer Subhan Ahmed and a Toyota jeep worth Rs five million for Director General PCB Javed Miandad.
The purchase of these latest vehicles is in clear violation of government policy and defies the order of the newly appointed interim chairman Najam Sethi, who had urged the PCB financial advisors to cut down on expenses in the board’s annual budget, which is to be presented either by the end of this month or early next month.
“There is no need to buy such costly jeeps which will put the already financially crippled PCB under further burden,” said an employee of the board seeking anonymity. The employee said the purchase of these vehicles at a time when the government has imposed a ban on buying new vehicles shows that PCB authorities are not bothered to abide by government orders.
“We appeal to the interim chairman of the PCB to look into the matter and stop the purchase of these jeeps immediately as it will put extra financial burden on the funds of the board. There are many new cars already available in the PCB fleet that are not currently under the use of any higher ups and that can be given to the concerned officials of the PCB for whom the new jeeps are being bought,” the employee added.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Just have shorter bilateral ODI series and hardly any International t20. I dont see the point.

Test cricket will survive and thrive when Day/Night matches become the norm. Beyond the world cup, i dont see a great future for the One Day game
 

Ryan19

School Boy/Girl Captain
It needs to be like rugby - defined windows for domestic T20 competitions, defined windows for international matches. This would take the conflict away as T20s and international matches wouldn't be played at the same time.

Would probably have to work around the IPL for this to be feasible.
How would this ever work? The BBL lasts a month as it is. When would you have the BBL and how would that fit in with New Zealand's, Australia's or South Africa's home summer?
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
AB de Villiers' comments should ring alarm bells | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

With plenty of the non-Big 3 nations struggling financially, and the rise of several lucrative T20 leagues, international cricketers for the first time have the choice between playing for their country or playing for their wallets.

While every young cricketer dreams of one day playing for their country, the inability of some of these countries to pay their cricketers a decent salary (or indeed, even pay them at all), along with the presence dysfunctional, inept or corrupt administrators, may be enough to push some of these young players into pursuing a career being a T20 mercenary for hire.

We have already seen Chris Gayle give up on the West Indies for several reasons, with plenty of very talented cricketers having followed suit, while even the likes of Sanga and Mahela retired with a few years of cricket left in them - partly to fill their wallets playing in various leagues around the world, and partly out of frustration from having to deal with the SLCB.

ABDV's recent comments about the challenges faced by cricketers having to pick between demanding international schedules and earning a quick buck T20 has been quite concerning. Surely this shouldn't be a choice to begin with right? Surely it's International cricket first, everything else second?

But that's not the reality we face.

So the question here is, should the ICC (AKA the Big 3) be stepping up and making sure that international cricketers all around the world earn a good salary, regardless of which country they play for?

The Pros of this are obvious. Redistributing funds in order to ensure the best talent in the world is able to play Test cricket is a big step towards ensuring the format remains healthy and competitive. It is the pinnacle of the sport, and thus should be played by the very best cricketers available to each nation.

On the other hand, the ICC footing the bill means putting cash in the hands of corrupt, inept boards such as the SLCB, WICB and ZCB. The struggles faced by cricketers of these countries is in no small part down to terrible leadership and management from their cricketing boards. By stepping in to bail them out, we are essentially absolving them of the consequences of their poor leadership. Wouldn't that money be better spent on helping non-Test nations that are well run (see Ireland) work towards Test status?

Discuss.
This is an important and timely conversation, and should be an eye opener especially for those who watch test cricket with their 3 buddies and think 'oh test cricket is so ****ing healthy, what are these fools talking about'.

As far as the suggestions are concerned, ICC paying all the cricketers is never going to work. At the end of the day, players are employed by their respective boards. ICC does not employ them, and does not have the resources or clout to pay their salary.

Those talking about a specific window for T20 leagues - that is a good idea but not at all feasible simply for the fact that there are too many leagues.

You don't want to clash and compete with each other, because if that happened, the other leagues would die as IPL would pay the most and everyone would flock there. And even if that weren't the case, what would be the window?

IPL takes place in April-May
Big Bash takes place in December-January. Australia doesn't play cricket in April-May

Caribbean League takes place in June-July.

Which window are you going to pick that suits everyone?

The solution is that the boards are going to have to compete at some level with these leagues by increasing the pay.
They might not be able to match it, but if they can considerably reduce the gap, then it might not be such a difficult decision and while some might still pick the money, those who want to play Test cricket would still be making close to the T20 money.

How to achieve this? Well this is where the Big 3 structure was such a failure, because it was so short term. Instead of trying to grow the game and have a more long term profitability strategy, it was all about killing the golden goose right now.

Cricket will have to rely on money from other sources, not just India and Australia and England.

There is money, you just have to build your market, build your brand and play the long game here.

Bangladesh for example is a tremendous potential, they have a huge market, and now they have money to spend on cricket as well, if teams had started playing more bilateral cricket with Bangladesh, that would only grow and they can emerge as a decent source of income.

There are other teams with big potential such as UAE or China because once again these are well off economies with sizeable markets.

I have been to the UAE and the oil tycoons there are pouring money into Tennis and F1 and Football. Why can't ICC, which is headquartered there, try to get some of these tycoons to look into cricket? Develop the UAE team, there is a huge South Asian population in UAE so they already know the sport, you just need to work on instilling cricket as part of the mainstream sports culture there.

There are plenty of options but they are all long term ones. Expanding, developing markets, building your brands, these won't happen overnight. And unfortunately BCCI, CA and ECB want to see the money NOW.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
UAE's total population is less than 10 million. Not a market worth bothering with. Now China might be a realistic one to develop over the next decade, if cricket makes the Olympics there would be absolutely huge money given to their cricket team (Jarrod Kimber said about $20 - $30 million per year from their government for both both genders). Would be a really interesting chance to add them to the mix.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
10m yes out of which 80% are South Asians..that more than how many people watch cricket in some test playing nations. And if Tennis can do with a 10m population, I don't see why it's not good enough for cricket?

Plus a lot of these tycoons are looking to invest in sports worldwide, not just for their local markets. You just need to convince them that cricket is worth their time and money.
 
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G.I.Joe

International Coach
Was hoping for more of a ideological discussion rather than a feasibility one.
Engineers/doctors/lawyers/accountants/xyz professionals in certain countries makes less than their counterparts do in others for reasons that are not linked to individual skill levels or productivity.

Cricketers and bleeding heart liberals ought to stop pretending that cricket exists in a special economic zone divorced from reality.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
10m yes out of which 80% are South Asians..that more than how many people watch cricket in some test playing nations. And if Tennis can do with a 10m population, I don't see why it's not good enough for cricket?

Plus a lot of these tycoons are looking to invest in sports worldwide, not just for their local markets. You just need to convince them that cricket is worth their time and money.
Those South Asians are treated and paid like garbage, reason that none of them can come to cricket during weekdays is because paid holiday isn't a thing over there.
 

cnerd123

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Those South Asians are treated and paid like garbage, reason that none of them can come to cricket during weekdays is because paid holiday isn't a thing over there.
Ummm I'm a South Asian who was raised in the UAE. Lived there 14 years.

Its not that bad. There are a ton of crazy rich South Asians there too who would happily spend loads of $$$ on cricket.
 

cnerd123

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Engineers/doctors/lawyers/accountants/xyz professionals in certain countries makes less than their counterparts do in others for reasons that are not linked to individual skill levels or productivity.

Cricketers and bleeding heart liberals ought to stop pretending that cricket exists in a special economic zone divorced from reality.
Ahhh but Engineers/doctors/lawyers/accountants/xyz professionals dont have a world-wide governing council whose stated aims are promoting and developing their profession around the world.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Ummm I'm a South Asian who was raised in the UAE. Lived there 14 years.

Its not that bad. There are a ton of crazy rich South Asians there too who would happily spend loads of $$$ on cricket.
All the numbers I've seen are that 90 + % South Asians work low paid service/construction jobs. Especially Bangladesh/Pakistani workers. Indian workers tend to be manufacturing don't they?
 

Daemon

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All the numbers I've seen are that 90 + % South Asians work low paid service/construction jobs. Especially Bangladesh/Pakistani workers. Indian workers tend to be manufacturing don't they?
Would like to see the source because I'm pretty sure it can't be that high a percentage.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Will dig around for one, it may have been a specific Dubai source though thinking about it. Am busy at work for the next 3 or so hours but will get one after that.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Ahhh but Engineers/doctors/lawyers/accountants/xyz professionals dont have a world-wide governing council whose stated aims are promoting and developing their profession around the world.
If we're going by ideology, maybe they should have global governing bodies to ensure that. Besides, the ICC does not have the stated objective of ensuring equal pay for all it's practitioners. If it goes full communist and does ensure that, it still does not equalize opportunities because there's no easy fix for the fact that a Bangladeshi kid does not have the same opportunities to concentrate on cricket in comparison to a Kiwi kid, for socio-economic reasons that are beyond the control of the ICC.

Cricketers dissatisfied with their pay have access to the same avenues other professionals do - migrate and satisfy qualification and time requirements to ply their trade elsewhere.

If you can reconcile yourself to the fact that you now contribute to the development of the glorious People's Liberation Army Air Force instead of the Bangladesh Biman Bahini, AB should be required to do so too.
 

cnerd123

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All the numbers I've seen are that 90 + % South Asians work low paid service/construction jobs. Especially Bangladesh/Pakistani workers. Indian workers tend to be manufacturing don't they?
Paid Service is a very vague sounding term.

Most of the workforce at every level barring the highest level managers/CEOs are mostly South Asian. Sure there are a lot of labourers, but pretty much all the doctors, engineers, bankers, salespeople, etc are South Asian too.
 

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