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Sachin's stats against ATG Fast Bowlers

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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
The following are the details of Sachin's record against all ATG bowlers he faced in his career. Need to give details of the abbreviations.
AD - donald
SP - pollock
DS - steyn
GM - mcgrath
SW - warne
IK - imran
2WS - wasim,waqar
2CS - walsh & ambrose
RH - hadlee
MM - murali

vs AD or SP or DS in SAF
28 3 1161 46.44 9 times out to either of 3 - 3AD,4SP,2DS

vs GM or SW in AUS
9 1 449 56.125 4 times out to either of 2 - 2GM,2SW

VS IK,2WS in PAK
6 0 215 35.83 4 times out to either of 3 - 2IK,1WA,1WY

VS 2CS in WI
6 1 289 57.80 0 times out to either of 2

VS RH in NZL
4 0 117 29.25 0 times out to RH

vs MM in SL
12 0 548 45.67 5 times out to MM

vs AD or SP or DN in IND
15 1 483 34.5 3 times out to either of 3 - 2AD,1DN

vs GM or SW in IND
17 1 830 51.88 5 times out to either of 2 - 4GM,1SW

VS 2WS in IND
6 0 180 30.00 0 times out to either of 2

VS 2CW in IND
6 0 402 67.00 2 times out to cw

vs MM in IND
14 1 668 51.38 3 times out to MM

Sachin in his career faced some 12 ATG bowlers.By ATG I mean bowlers with great avg: & longevity combined.
They are Hadlee,Imran,Wasim,Waqar,Ambrose,Walsh,Donlad,Pollock,Steyn,Mcgrath,Warne,Murali.
The above said are the details of those inns where atleast any one of these ATG bowlers played.

Out of these he avg:Ed a respectable 46.44 vs SAF in SAF.That means though he was not great(definitely
very good) vs AD or SP,he more than made up for it by having the upper hand over Steyn.
In IND too he got out only 3 times in 15 inns to either one of them.So all in all he was good against
AD,very good vs Pollock & more than great vs Steyn.

He avg:Ed 56.125 in AUS & 51.88 in IND when either GM or SW or both were playing.All in all GM got him
6 times in 18 inns.But Sachin's high avg:s shows that he indeed was atleast good vs GM.But he virtually
owned the other great SW and made up for it.

Against Pak in PAK, Imran got him out 2 out of 6 inns.His avg: of 35.83 shows Imran had the upper hand
over him.But the 2 Ws could get him out only 2 out of 12 inns in both PAK & IND.More over he didn't get
out even once to the other great Hadlee in 4 INNS.That means all together he was atleast 'great' vs the
4 great bowlers combined.

In WI, Ambrose & Walsh could never get him out.He avg:Ed 57.8 there.That means he owned them.In IND too
though Walsh got him out 2 out of 6 times, he avg:ed a mammoth 67.That means Sachin was undoubtedly
more than great vs the 2 great bowlers.

In SL Murali got him out 5 out of 12 times.But Sachin had very good 45.67 avg:.Yet it can be said that
Murali was better in SL vs Sachin.But Sachin more than made up for that by avg:ing 51.38 in IND. 3 out of
14 means he won the battle in IND.

So Sachin scored 2779 runs @ 46.32 in 65 INNS vs all these 12 great bowlers abroad. Of these they could get
him out only 22 times in 65 inns.In India Sachin scored 2563 runs @ 46.6 vs them in 58 inns. Of these they could
get him out only 13 times.All in all 5342 runs @ 46.45 in 123 inns.Performing that good vs 12 ATG bowlers
means there is no truth at all in what some posters try to convey.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
rtramdas said:
The following are the details of Sachin's record against all ATG bowlers he faced in his career. Need to give details of the abbreviations.
AD - donald
SP - pollock
DS - steyn
GM - mcgrath
SW - warne
IK - imran
2WS - wasim,waqar
2CS - walsh & ambrose
RH - hadlee
MM - murali

vs AD or SP or DS in SAF
28 3 1161 46.44 9 times out to either of 3 - 3AD,4SP,2DS

vs GM or SW in AUS
9 1 449 56.125 4 times out to either of 2 - 2GM,2SW

VS IK,2WS in PAK
6 0 215 35.83 4 times out to either of 3 - 2IK,1WA,1WY

VS 2CS in WI
6 1 289 57.80 0 times out to either of 2

VS RH in NZL
4 0 117 29.25 0 times out to RH

vs MM in SL
12 0 548 45.67 5 times out to MM

vs AD or SP or DN in IND
15 1 483 34.5 3 times out to either of 3 - 2AD,1DN

vs GM or SW in IND
17 1 830 51.88 5 times out to either of 2 - 4GM,1SW

VS 2WS in IND
6 0 180 30.00 0 times out to either of 2

VS 2CW in IND
6 0 402 67.00 2 times out to cw

vs MM in IND
14 1 668 51.38 3 times out to MM

Sachin in his career faced some 12 ATG bowlers.By ATG I mean bowlers with great avg: & longevity combined.
They are Hadlee,Imran,Wasim,Waqar,Ambrose,Walsh,Donlad,Pollock,Steyn,Mcgrath,Warne,Murali.
The above said are the details of those inns where atleast any one of these ATG bowlers played.

Out of these he avg:Ed a respectable 46.44 vs SAF in SAF.That means though he was not great(definitely
very good) vs AD or SP,he more than made up for it by having the upper hand over Steyn.
In IND too he got out only 3 times in 15 inns to either one of them.So all in all he was good against
AD,very good vs Pollock & more than great vs Steyn.

He avg:Ed 56.125 in AUS & 51.88 in IND when either GM or SW or both were playing.All in all GM got him
6 times in 18 inns.But Sachin's high avg:s shows that he indeed was atleast good vs GM.But he virtually
owned the other great SW and made up for it.

Against Pak in PAK, Imran got him out 2 out of 6 inns.His avg: of 35.83 shows Imran had the upper hand
over him.But the 2 Ws could get him out only 2 out of 12 inns in both PAK & IND.More over he didn't get
out even once to the other great Hadlee in 4 INNS.That means all together he was atleast 'great' vs the
4 great bowlers combined.

In WI, Ambrose & Walsh could never get him out.He avg:Ed 57.8 there.That means he owned them.In IND too
though Walsh got him out 2 out of 6 times, he avg:ed a mammoth 67.That means Sachin was undoubtedly
more than great vs the 2 great bowlers.

In SL Murali got him out 5 out of 12 times.But Sachin had very good 45.67 avg:.Yet it can be said that
Murali was better in SL vs Sachin.But Sachin more than made up for that by avg:ing 51.38 in IND. 3 out of
14 means he won the battle in IND.

So Sachin scored 2779 runs @ 46.32 in 65 INNS vs all these 12 great bowlers abroad. Of these they could get
him out only 22 times in 65 inns.In India Sachin scored 2563 runs @ 46.6 vs them in 58 inns. Of these they could
get him out only 13 times.All in all 5342 runs @ 46.45 in 123 inns.Performing that good vs 12 ATG bowlers
means there is no truth at all in what some posters try to convey.
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Regarding Donald and Pollock, I'm interested in knowing Sachin's stats against them when they played together?? Ditto Warne and Mcgrath.
 
akilana

akilana

International 12th Man
Slifer said:
Regarding Donald and Pollock, I'm interested in knowing Sachin's stats against them when they played together?? Ditto Warne and Mcgrath.
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Both Sachin and Lara weren't great vs Donald and Pollock. In fact Lara doesn't have a hundred vs Donald/Pollock but Sachin had 2 or 3. I can't recall exact stats but both averaged in the 30s.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
akilana said:
Both Sachin and Lara weren't great vs Donald and Pollock. In fact Lara doesn't have a hundred vs Donald/Pollock but Sachin had 2 or 3. I can't recall exact stats but both averaged in the 30s.
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Lara's not the person in question unfortunately. So.....
 
Migara

Migara

Cricketer Of The Year
TheJediBrah said:
Ponting's average against games that had Donald or Pollock is 62.63.

But that was never his weakness . . .
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I know he did very well against us even in SL. He had some issues against Kumble in India. And Harbhajan is never and ATG.

Ditto for Lara, his struggles in India was against Venkathapathy Raju and Chauhan. Both light years from being ATG.
 
J

Jayro

U19 12th Man
Migara said:
The thread is about great bowlers and it includes both home and away.
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Indian team is as great as they come in home soil, there is huge selective bias in the original post - you can nitpick anything to make one look bad, , , btw Ponting was pathetic in India, Sachin has never been nearly bad anywhere against anyone.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
Jayro said:
Indian team is as great as they come in home soil, there is huge selective bias in the original post - you can nitpick anything to make one look bad, , , btw Ponting was pathetic in India, Sachin has never been nearly bad anywhere against anyone.
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The opening post afaic, was intended to piss off the same people who were spewing bs about Sir Viv. Based on what I've read, mission accomplished.
 
karan_fromthestands

karan_fromthestands

State Captain
Altaican said:
In another thread, one user posted modest stats of Viv Richards against Pakistan and Australia, and claimed him to be over-rated. I have applied similar logic to Sachin Tendulkar's career. The results are quite damning. Do the stats of all great batsmen fall spectacularly (like Sachin's) against truly great fast bowlers?

<From that Post>

In Tests, Sachin averages a modest 36.77 against Australia when McGrath plays.

It is very noticeable that most of his Test runs/stellar performances against Australia have invariably come only when McGrath was absent, basically against second rate (good, but not great) fast bowlers like Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson, Kasper, Damien Fleming, Paul Riefel etc. Whenever McGrath is absent from the Australian attack, Sachin's average almost doubles (averages nearly 70 against Australia when McGrath is absent!!!).


Against other great fast bowlers whom he faced at the peak of their powers in Test Match cricket, Sachin averages a pathetic 32 against South Africa whenever Allan Donald has played.

I really don't know whether to include Wasim Akram here since India-Pak never played a series for nearly 10 years (between 1989 to 99 for political reasons) during which Akram was at his absolute peak. But Akram bowled very very well in 1999 when they played each other. In any case, Tendulkar averages an equally pathetic 32 against Pakistan whenever Wasim Akram has played.

Once again, he revelled against the respective teams (South Africa and Pakistan) when these bowlers were absent.

Against the 3 greatest fast bowlers of his era, whom he faced in more than one Test series, McGrath, Donald and Akram, Sachin has scored 1719 Test runs at a modest average of 34.3 (compared to his career average of 56).


Here is the clincher:

Of all the Test series Sachin has played against these great fast bowlers (McGrath,Donald,Akram), more than 7 series including home and away, only once did he average more than 50 in a series!, that too just barely, when he averaged 50.66 against McGrath in 2000-01 series at home in India. Even more stunning is the fact that only once was he India's best batsman in all the Test series against these bowlers (so much for him being the batting mainstay of India against great attacks). This is the very definition of being over-rated.

The only truly great fast bowler Sachin has had some success against is Curtly Ambrose. But Sachin never faced Ambrose (or the West Indian attack) at their peak. He played only one Test series against Ambrose, that too in 1997, on the dead pitches of the Carribbean (4 of the 5 Tests ended in draws). Ambrose was 35 years old and couple of years away from retirement back then.


Amazingly, the trend of Tendulkar's poor stats against great fast bowlers continues in ODIs. In spite of all the batsmen-favoured rules and pitches, Sachin's stats against these bowlers in ODIs are equally pathetic! A measly average of 31 (2222 runs @ 31.64) in ODIs after playing 70+ ODIs against McGrath/Donald/Akram. Only 2 of Sachin's ODI hundreds came against these bowlers (both against McGrath in the sub-continent). In 26 ODI innings against Donald, Sachin managed to cross fifty just 3 times!
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LOL, you can dig up stats for all the batsmen and find these kind of things, what's the point?
In form ATG bowler will always dominate an ATG batsmen, it just takes one ball. Rubbish post!
 
Migara

Migara

Cricketer Of The Year
Jayro said:
Indian team is as great as they come in home soil, there is huge selective bias in the original post - you can nitpick anything to make one look bad, , , btw Ponting was pathetic in India, Sachin has never been nearly bad anywhere against anyone.
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Touche. I just said Ponting and Lara struggled against non ATG spinners. never even mentioned Tendulkar.
 
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