Sachin. Sobers. Smith.

[Sliferxxxx]

now you’re just making things up. Indian pitches were not high scoring in the 90s as most visiting teams can attest

Sooooo you are aware Sachin played well into the 2000s where pitches worldwide were flat as hell (including in India).

 

[ma1978]

Sooooo you are aware Sachin played well into the 2000s where pitches worldwide were flat as hell (including in India).

by the time the 2000s rolled around, Sachin had already beat Sobers output

 

[Coronis]

and faced none of them in their prime

Ah yes I forgot that Alan Davidson wasn’t in his prime in the 60-61 series. He also played 3 series with Trueman in his prime.


Your username is very accurate, you don’t have any idea about pre 1978 cricket.

Since you don’t really rate players before then anyway… maybe keep the ignorant posts to yourself

 

[Sliferxxxx]

There weren’t that many good bowlers during Sobers prime

Sachin had Sobers’ career where he was better (and the best bat in the world in the best era for bowling) and then a whole second career where he was a top 5 bat

Now who's making stuff up? No "good" bowlers, then what do you call the following: Alan Davidson, Fazal, Trueman, Statham, Benaud, Gupte, John Snow, etc. I have to ask how old you are because you keep making these outlandish comments without seemingly a hint of research or knowledge.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

and faced none of them in their prime

Dude Trueman and Alan were in their late 20s early 30s during Gary's prime. Get a clue!! Smh

 

[ma1978]

Now who's making stuff up? No "good" bowlers, then what do you call the following: Alan Davidson, Fazal, Trueman, Statham, Benaud, Gupte, John Snow, etc. I have to ask how old you are because you keep making these outlandish comments without seemingly a hint of research or knowledge.

this makes my point - it’s hardly Akram, Younis, Ambrose, Donald, Pollock, Walsh, Steyn, McGrath, Warne, Murali is it

 

[ma1978]

Dude Trueman and Alan were in their late 20s early 30s during Gary's prime. Get a clue!! Smh

lol

Truman retired in 1965

Davidson in 1963

sobers had nine years post Truman and elevent post Davidson and there were zero ATG bowlers in the period other than a young Lillee at the end

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin had flat pitches at home as well. And you say Sobers didn't dominate "all" the ATGs he faced, neither did Sachin. Sachin still probably slightly better but the flat wicket thing with Smith and Sobers is overstated. Sachin's home wickets were just as flat.

Agreed Sachin was only slightly better overall. Both he and Sobers you can say are mixed with great and middling records against ATGs, Sachin facing more.

And in not denying Sachin had somewhat easy home conditions, moreso the 2000s, but just saying basing advantage on home record when we know it's flat isn't the best argument.

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin also barely played against 90s ATGs during his prime.

Not true.

 

[Coronis]

lol

Truman retired in 1965

Davidson in 1963

sobers had nine years post Truman and elevent post Davidson and there were zero ATG bowlers in the period other than a young Lillee at the end

He faced both of them in their primes and did very well against them. Was that not the whole point you were arguing against?

 

[vidiq]

Not true.

Can you explain How?
He Faced McGrath only once in1997/98
He Faced Finished waqar, and Wasim only once in 99/00
He Faced Ambrose only once in 98 in a dead rubber series without any results.
However he Faced donald and Warne more than once.
And Murali wasn't good when Sachin scored majority of his 90s runs against sl on some extremely flat pitches.

 

[subshakerz]

Can you explain How?
He Faced McGrath only once in1997/98
He Faced Finished waqar, and Wasim only once in 99/00
He Faced Ambrose only once in 98 in a dead rubber series without any results.
However he Faced donald and Warne more than once.
And Murali wasn't good when Sachin scored majority of his 90s runs against sl on some extremely flat pitches.

Faced McGrath in 99, 2001 and 2004. Single test in 96.

Faced 2Ws 89 and 99.

Faced Donald 93, 96, 97 and 2000.

Faced Warne 93, 98, 99 and 2001.

Faced Ambrose Walsh 97. WI won that series.

That's pretty good. Not including Shoaib and Steyn in multiple series.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Faced McGrath in 99, 2001 and 2004. Single test in 96.

Faced 2Ws 89 and 99.

Faced Donald 93, 96, 97 and 2000.

Faced Warne 93, 98, 99 and 2001.

Faced Ambrose Walsh 97. WI won that series.

That's pretty good. Not including Shoaib and Steyn in multiple series.

I know it's not your job or place but going through Mr 1978's stupid azz posts you can see why some of us have to go down the rabbit hole where Sachin is concerned.

Sobers didn't face as many atg as Sachin, probably no one did but they both faced their fair share throughout their careers and both faced their share of minnows too fwiw.

 

[subshakerz]

I know it's not your job or place but going through Mr 1978's stupid azz posts you can see why some of us have to go down the rabbit hole where Sachin is concerned.

Sobers didn't face as many atg as Sachin, probably no one did but they both faced their fair share throughout their careers and both faced their share of minnows too fwiw.

Yes agreed.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Yes agreed.

But I'll resist the urge to bash Sachin, if only because in the bigger scheme of things, he is greater/better than Sir Gary and Smith. My question to you is this though, is there anything Smith can do to close the gap??

 

[subshakerz]

But I'll resist the urge to bash Sachin, if only because in the bigger scheme of things, he is greater/better than Sir Gary and Smith. My question to you is this though, is there anything Smith can do to close the gap??

Smith has to maintain longevity meaning very good form for another 2 to 3 years to be in that conversation. But I see him possibly returning after next Ashes.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

lol

Truman retired in 1965

Davidson in 1963

sobers had nine years post Truman and elevent post Davidson and there were zero ATG bowlers in the period other than a young Lillee at the end

Stick to a point please. You said Gary didn't face any great bowlers in his prime when in fact he did: Trueman and Statham and Davidson and Benaud. Now it's he didn't face any great bowling after what 1965? Bull he faced John Snow and Derek Underwood from England and the Indian quartet. You might not rate those attacks but history does.

 

[DrWolverine]

Instead of arguing on our why Sobers, Sachin & Smith are better than one another, how about we list reasons on the weakness/holes in their record.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sachin is easy.

He didn’t have an ATG series like Sobers, Smith or Viv

 

[sayon basak]

Sachin is easy.

He didn’t have an ATG series like Sobers, Smith or Viv

Akilana has a few more iirc.