ImpatientLime
International Regular
two fantastically skillful and accurate australian seamers who broke out in the second half of their careers, but who was the superior bowler?
really?Ryan Harris. Would have been a genuine ATG if he'd have had a full career.
No he wouldn't have. Part of Rhino's charm is that he was genuinely rubbish* for years.Ryan Harris. Would have been a genuine ATG if he'd have had a full career.
Kinda. He did start late but not as late as Harris, was a very good Shield bowler for a number of years (IIRC there was a post from 2002 here that said that Clark should be in the mix for Australia), just didn't get the chances he could've because of the strength of Australian bowling at the time. Not quite a Harris-like situation.was clark a late bloomer too?
i saw him play a few times live in 2005 for middlesex and was incredibly underwhelmed.
18 months later he was wrecking england.
no you don't recall correctlyRhino was gun his whole, late-starting, international career whereas Clark broke onto the scene, cleaned up for a couple of years then iirc got worked out/became very ineffective, very quickly.
Happy to be proven wrong. I had thought he had simply just ended up being saw off by batsmen who could deal with his accuracy and the wickets stopped coming.no you don't recall correctly
he aged. Not quite the same as "being worked out" lol
Yeah fair call, I'll cop this and what IL said........was poor wording by me.No he wouldn't have. Part of Rhino's charm is that he was genuinely rubbish* for years.
* rubbish obviously being relative, on reflection 'barely First Class standard' would have been a better choice of words.
He got 20 odd wickets in SA in 2008/9Yeah fair call, I'll cop this and what IL said........was poor wording by me.
Let me rephrase.....If Harris could have had an 80+ test career at the standard he was for his 25 odd tests, then he would have been in ATG discussions. I really wasn't considering his first class career at all when I said that.
My memory maybe fading in regards Clark, but apart from being absolutely awesome in the 06/07 Ashes did he ever reach those heights again? I really don't recall him being particularly special after that. I do remember him not making the Aussie side in '09 and there being a bit of an uproar about it.........but when they did bring him in I don't think he did much did he?
Edit:
Just checked to see what GIMH was wetting his pants about at Headingly '09 and see Clark took 3/18 in the first innings........suppose that would have been pretty good. But he followed that up with 0/74 and then 0/41 and 1/43 at the Oval.
Interesting take, hard to see how either is 'fairly comfortably' better than the other.Clark fairly comfortably for mine.