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Ricky Ponting vs Kumar Sangakkara

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Migara

Migara

International Coach
Sangakkara was able to do these kinds of magic behind the wickets. Comes up to stumps against a bowler bowling 125-130k and pulls this off against one of the best batsman.

 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Migara said:
Sangakkara was able to do these kinds of magic behind the wickets. Comes up to stumps against a bowler bowling 125-130k and pulls this off against one of the best batsman.

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Love how Vaas's immediate reaction wasn't super thrilled by it. Like, bad enough the lads standing up to me, he really have to get a stumping to rub it in? :laugh:
 
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Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Migara said:
Nah, we are including ODis also, since keeping is almost identical in both situations.

I am not sure what you ameant by Malinga's effectiveness. It doesn't matter Malinga or Fernando troubled batsmen. Malinga was tough to keep because of his release and variations. Fernando was tough because he sprayed it around. Brett Lee was fast but very accurate. For example, If you get Akthar and Sami, although Akthar is faster he is easier to keep because he is accurate

Simply your argument has no merit. Sanga kept for more varied attacks, on spinning pitches and pitches with variable bounce than Gilchrist. And he was bloody brilliant on them.
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@capt_Luffy I would love to hear your take on this.

Keeping to an unaccurate bowler might be more difficult than keeping to an accurate one, but in Tests I guess keeping to accurate bowlers should be held highly because the more chances to getting dismissals is there. In Tests definitely a wicket is worth more than two 4 byes.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Cricket Bliss said:
@capt_Luffy I would love to hear your take on this.

Keeping to an unaccurate bowler might be more difficult than keeping to an accurate one, but in Tests I guess keeping to accurate bowlers should be held highly because the more chances to getting dismissals is there. In Tests definitely a wicket is worth more than two 4 byes.
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You keep for 50 overs in an ODI and no one really minds a drop chance significantly. Not to mention the movement of the ball is significantly less. In Tests it could be upwards of 150 overs in an innings. Don't think they are as different as batting, but cross format comparison isn't that useful here either imo. For a single ball, it's fine to show he can keep to 130 up to the stumps and stump someone, But overall, not really the same demands and priorities.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
You keep for 50 overs in an ODI and no one really minds a drop chance significantly. Not to mention the movement of the ball is significantly less. In Tests it could be upwards of 150 overs in an innings. Don't think they are as different as batting, but cross format comparison isn't that useful here either imo. For a single ball, it's fine to show he can keep to 130 up to the stumps and stump someone, But overall, not really the same demands and priorities.
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I was asking about keeping to an accurate bowler like Kumble with that of Strang. You get more dismissals when Kumble bowls than Strang. A wicket >> two 4 byes? in Tests.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Cricket Bliss said:
I was asking about keeping to an accurate bowler like Kumble with that of Strang. You get more dismissals when Kumble bowls than Strang. A wicket >> two 4 byes? in Tests.
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I don't think it's a fair 1-0-1 comparison really. Kumble will also give you more chances so any Strang will create is more valuable to grab.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Cricket Bliss said:
@capt_Luffy I would love to hear your take on this.

Keeping to an unaccurate bowler might be more difficult than keeping to an accurate one, but in Tests I guess keeping to accurate bowlers should be held highly because the more chances to getting dismissals is there. In Tests definitely a wicket is worth more than two 4 byes.
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For accurate bowlers you could anticipate things from release, action and angle of delivery. But when the bowler has no idea which way ball is going to seam or swing, or how fast it is released from the hand, it comes down to pure primal skills of wicket keeping. Catching the edge off inaccurate bowlers is a bonus, and that is where real wicket keeping comes in.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Migara said:
So they are in the same class. Case closed.
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Didn't know it was that easy.

Anyways...


Keeping and keepers are so very hard to rank and rate.

A absolute top tier, or elite ATG tier might include (and I will miss names)
Taylor, Tallon, Oldfield and Evans.

The ATG tier might include
Healy, Knott, Cameron, David Murray, Duckworth, Kirmani

Great might include
Bari, Latiff, Waite, Jayawardene, Deryck Murray

Before everyone starts up, this is a conversation starter more than a definitive list, but if that is the great category, is Gilchrist definitively there, far less Sangakkara?
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Coach
kyear2 said:
Didn't know it was that easy.

Anyways...


Keeping and keepers are so very hard to rank and rate.

A absolute top tier, or elite ATG tier might include (and I will miss names)
Taylor, Tallon, Oldfield and Evans.

The ATG tier might include
Healy, Knott, Cameron, David Murray, Duckworth, Kirmani

Great might include
Bari, Latiff, Waite, Jayawardene, Deryck Murray

Before everyone starts up, this is a conversation starter more than a definitive list, but if that is the great category, is Gilchrist definitively there, far less Sangakkara?
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Where would Engineer be for you?
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Migara said:
So they are in the same class. Case closed.
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In Tests if Sangakkara was in the same league as Gilchrist, then he would’ve been unanimously selected over Gilchrist as the wicket keeper batsmen of All Time XI, because he is a far superior batsman.
One could argue Sangakkara only averages 40 while keeping, but really didn’t keep at his peak.
deVilliers averages 57 while keeping because he kept at his peak. I one asked that is deVilliers the greatest wicket keeper batsman ever and I think it’s Luffy mentioned that Gilchrist averaged around 60 at his peak.
So Sangakkara if kept consistently during late 2000s till his retirement he would’ve averaged more than 50. So Sangakkara could have been a unanimous selection over Gilchrist due to his batting expertise.
 
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