Johan
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can never overtake Root or Woakes though
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Ricky Ponting vs Joe Root
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Red_Ink_Squid
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True facts.
kyear2
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For those saying Smith was in the BAB conversation, he still is though.
Outright BAB doesn't have a clear leader, hence the category.
With regards to Punter.
Smith has played 119 tests, if he retired now he's still in the BAB conversation.
Punter at the end of 2008, and after 127 tests was averaging 59.
Yes, some would argue he played in a tougher era, but a lot of his average did come in the flatter version as well.
Statistically Smith hasn't even passed Punter as yet.
Johan
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Ponting cannot even fathom reaching the heights Smith reached with the 2017 Border Gavaskar Trophy or the 2019 Ashes, everything Smith is doing in his decline in the bowling era, is something that goes in his favour and widens the gap, not minimises it. It's not close, I'm sorry.
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Ponting had an unusually high peak, and there were people who got carried away during that peak, but I don’t see how that makes him better or worse than a more consistently good player.
With Root you don’t have to make excuses for why all the players who scored lots of runs at a similar average during his career are actually significantly worse because blah blah blah. There just aren’t any, except for the 3 other ATGs.
Younis Khan making both lists at 50+, what an underrated player.
With Root you don’t have to make excuses for why all the players who scored lots of runs at a similar average during his career are actually significantly worse because blah blah blah. There just aren’t any, except for the 3 other ATGs.
Younis Khan making both lists at 50+, what an underrated player.
Johan
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2 TBF match/exceed his output, Kohli fell off pretty hard and that can be seen in the averages you posted. We all know the issues with Williamson.
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That’s why we also eyetest them which is where Smith is clearly better and has faced clearly tougher conditions and attacks
Johan
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Good take.
Johan
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Ponting never performed in India and actively lost Australia a series in India, one of the greatest series of all time and a very hot series too, Root never performed well in Australia and had no impact on the results, probably couldn't as England were never in a position of winning a game, so negative impact vs net neutral. Root wins.
If Root performs in Australia, then Ponting would be no match of him as he's already inferior, would've to go for someone bigger and better.
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Australia and India is nothing like the Ashes in significance for a player of those two countries. English and Australian players are heavily judged on how they perform in the Ashes. It’s also why no Australian here really rates Joe Root
Johan
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Who cares what a few Australians on the internet think? I doubt the English part of the forum rates Ricky Ponting all that much either, English pundits do but the average person? meh. Also, having the worst series any ATG batsman ever had is a lot worse than averaging 35 in Australia against an ATG bowling unit, like this is an effort by an ATG Batsman
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like there's being underwhelming like Root in Australia, and then there's being diabolical.
Their Ashes average is also similar, Root averages 40.47 in Ashes and Ponting around 44.21. I'll let you figure out who plays for the much weaker team, faces much better bowling from Ashes opposition and has played on spicier wickets.
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Johan
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Fair enough
honestbharani
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I put Root in the tier below the "below Bradman" tier as of now, which is where I would probably have Ponting too. But within that tier, for me Root is clearly ahead of Ponting.
Obviously, he has not finished his career yet so he could well go up or down on those charts. But if he were to retire after this series, that is where he would be in my rankings.
Obviously, he has not finished his career yet so he could well go up or down on those charts. But if he were to retire after this series, that is where he would be in my rankings.
subshakerz
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You're a guy who rates McGrath higher based purely on his overseas Ashes performances.
By the same count, Root in Aus should be an especially sore point.