kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
None of them survives that tbh.
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Rank these ATG batsmen against fast bowling
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Slifer
International Captain
Agreed.
Seems about right. I'd have 3-6 pretty much interchangeable.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Amaranth? Border?
Slifer
International Captain
One you'd have to find a test where 4 of the following played together: Marshall, Croft, Garner, Walsh, Roberts, Clarke, Bishop played together and two you'd have to find a fcked up wicket.
The original 4 played in Australia in 1980 and 82 but curiously didn't play in Perth. They played there in Perth in 1984 with Walsh, Marshall, Holding and Garner and predictably blew away an admittedly weak Oz lineup.
Marshall Holding Garner and Roberts played India at Sabina in 83 and a very good Indian lineup wasn't blown away but were dismissed sub 200 both innings.
As for did any of the above face an attack comparable? Closest I can think of is Kohli in 2018 away to RSA where they had: Steyn, Morkel, Rabada and Morkel. He did very good imo and on South African wickets which favor pace. But respect to Philander but he isn't as nasty as any of the 4 prong and Morkel is a slight drop off. Still relentlessly testing pace so I'll give Kohli and anyone thay faced that attack and did well props.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
I know Amaranth did well in India, don't recall repeating those feats down here, would have to check.
Border I'll look into.
Slifer
International Captain
Border did well in 1984 but Baptiste or some other nobody rounded off an attack that had Marshall, Garner and Holding. Still an atg attack but not the 4 prong.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Actually he did the exact opposite..... In 1983, he was great in West Indies, but failed completely in India....
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
I would’ve thought across here would’ve been more appropriate lol
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Border, only scored 1 fifty down here in either Kensington or Kingston. Didn't get to peek at where he scored in Oz, I do recall done scores in Sydney though.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Might be. But he really was splendid in that series and the only reason we were able to draw 3 games, especially considering Sunny's form. 598 runs @ 66.4 with no average boosting not outs, man of the match in Kensington with 91 and 80 in a match India gave a target of 1 run and the only match he completely failed in being in the flat Georgetown track where everyone performed.... I think it's definitely among the best performance by any batsman in a series. It's such a shame he could never return anything close ever since (except one Australia tour), and on the follow up home series, scored only 94 runs across 3 innings.
Migara
International Coach
unless extremely sever Pterygium doesn't cause blindness. It is a common issue in high UV exposure equatorial area, like in West Indies.
Lara simply had poor technique against defending the short ball. He was pretty OK attacking it.
Migara
International Coach
Pretty harsh on Sangakkara. You cannot point out his strong suit, neither any weakness. He is one of those players who can concentrate and happy to grind it out, given his personality. Very similar to Steve Waugh.
Migara
International Coach
There are people who will relish pace, impossible to intimidate, but can be dismissed off fast bowlers with good technique and execution. Any amount of bowling short and fast would not get players such as Inzamam, Andrew Hudson or Aravinda cheaply. But not so fast bowlers who move the ball off the deck were shown to take these batsmen with ease. Marshall, Roberts and Ambrose has that mode (especially Marshall) where they can cut their pace and bowl up to the bat. However Croft, Clark or Patterson don't seems to be in that mould. Others are in between and probably condition dependent.
So having Philander actually improves that attack rather than an out and out fast bowler, let's say Brett Schultz. There are batsmen who can play short stuff but are vulnerable against Philander's type bowling. An attack of Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar and Asif probably would be as lethal or or better than many of four prong pace attacks we hypothesize.
ankitj
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
I don't think any of these batsmen have a weakness against high pace barring Dravid and Lara (Sangakkara and Williamson are interchangeable). I just have a feeling a batsman of Lara's calibre will be able to produce results against this attack as well, at least to an extent; overcoming his weakness in the process.
Calm_profit
State Vice-Captain
Nah Sanga had problems with off spin and swing but not with fast bowling.He scored 98 in South Africa against Donald, Pollock,Ntini in his earlier carrer
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Yea all of these guys are excellent against pace. Dravid might struggle tho if there’s no spinners.