Quotas to be introduced for Proteas

[Marius]

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Two test 'incumbents' - Phangiso will have to play more leaving Tahir out ? He won't win us games & there will be games he will smacked out the park. Phehulwayo will be pushed before his time. But has exciting potential.

Can see the following getting selected.



Ramela will get test chances. Zondo limited overs chances. Neither really good enough. Leie will come back into the mix with not really standing out. Ngidi has raw potential but so much work to do. But guys like Moreki, Magala, Shezi, Siboto are cannon-fodder so you would think in the long-run he has more chance. There is a young batting talent MAKWETU (17) who we could hear more about in the coming years.

I dread the day Ramela gets picked for the Test side.

 

[SeamUp]

But that's ridiculous - Rabada rolls his ankle of the morning of a Test match, that means you're stuffed.

I haven't seen anyone be 'warned' about 'trickery' either to be honest. CSA has explicitly said that it will be done over the average of the season, across all formats, giving some leeway depending on what is needed for a particular match.

I'm with you on this Marius.

Just imagine if CSA actually did this and used the word 'trickery'.

Almost unbelievable and laughable.

 

[TT Boy]

After seeing Bavuma bat, I think he could get on alright in ODIs. Surprised he wasn't selected at least for the Ireland game and de Bruyn. Not seen Phehulwayo bowl but I saw him bat some years ago and he was a decent hitter. Not sure why Steyn was brought back now, rather just go with Parnell to open the bowling with Rabada with Morris in for Steyn. Wouldn't include Shamsi as well, play him in 20/20s and some select ODIs but only need 10 overs of Tahir for these games.

 

[Marius]

After seeing Bavuma bat, I think he could get on alright in ODIs. Surprised he wasn't selected at least for the Ireland game and de Bruyn. Not seen Phehulwayo bowl but I saw him bat some years ago and he was a decent hitter. Not sure why Steyn was brought back now, rather just go with Parnell to open the bowling with Rabada with Morris in for Steyn. Wouldn't include Shamsi as well, play him in 20/20s and some select ODIs but only need 10 overs of Tahir for these games.

Bavuma is in the ODI squad to play Ireland.

Think he'll get on along in ODIs too.

 

[Furball]

I thought Tahir was white for the purposes of quotas because as an immigrant he hasn't been previously disadvantaged by apartheid?

 

[TT Boy]

I dread the day Ramela gets picked for the Test side.

Can't be any worse than van Zyl, can he? Highest score of 36 in passed 9 test matches.

 

[StephenZA]

Snip..

Agree overall.

White current incumbents... Faf may lose out to Duminy which would be unfortunate and could make AB unhappy. Morkel will get pushed out of first team by Rabada. This may be a bit early, and without quotas may not have happened but not based on ability. Else Elgar could also be under pressure long term If QDK is willing to open. Then Parnell becomes an option (or Phehlukwayo long term if he comes good). I never rated Viljoen, I do not think that van Zyl, or Miller will get a shot at test cricket. Roussouw has an outside chance but unlikely with Faf/Duminy currently in front. Abbott will be 2nd choice seamer after Morkel and Pretorious if we get serious injuries. De Bruyn should be next batsmen (possible after Russouw) the other white players futures are unknown atm. But they are young and their will be retirements over the next 3/4 years. (This is all test team stuff)

Coloured/Asian players Tahir won`t play tests, crucial in LO stuff. Behardien and Adams may become LO stop gaps. Shamsi, Paterson and Parnell are all good atm. The fringe selections look excellent to me (won`t mention Hamza again!) Black Players: IMO, I dont think Ramela will get a shot at tests... we shall see. Zondo maybe at LO but dont think so, their is enough good options without him. Phehlukwayo may be pushed into national setup earlier than wanted. But so was Rabada and QDK. Ngidi has potential and Leie is good, not to sure if he is better than some of the others though. Heard a little bit about Makwetu, hopefully comes good.

 

[Marius]

I thought Tahir was white for the purposes of quotas because as an immigrant he hasn't been previously disadvantaged by apartheid?

That shows you how ridiculous quotas are. But I think he is counted as a POC for quota purposes.

Beast Mtawarira, because he is a Zimbabwean immigrant, would also be 'white' then. Which shows you how silly it all is.

 

[Marius]

Can't be any worse than van Zyl, can he? Highest score of 36 in passed 9 test matches.

That's a fair point.

Ramela doesn't even average 30 in FCs though. Tons of players I would have before him in the Test side.

 

[TT Boy]

Bavuma is in the ODI squad to play Ireland.

Think he'll get on along in ODIs too.

Cool. Just saw that along with Dwaine Pretorius.
Shame de Bruyn wasn't selected as opener and could rest Amla for that game. Also, anyone know what de Bruyn is bowling? Had better figures than Shamsi and Phangiso in a couple of the A games albeit against kids.

 

[StephenZA]

But that's ridiculous - Rabada rolls his ankle of the morning of a Test match, that means you're stuffed.

I haven't seen anyone be 'warned' about 'trickery' either to be honest. CSA has explicitly said that it will be done over the average of the season, across all formats, giving some leeway depending on what is needed for a particular match.

What I mean... firstly they will not complain if Rabada roles his ankle and we have to play Morkel/Abbott who is in the squad. What they will not accept is us playing Morkel in front of Rabada for no good reason and then playing Games against Zimbabwe and pack the players of colour 'resting' the white players for the sole purpose of getting the quotas up... anybody would see that happening and be exactly against what the quotas are trying to achieve... agree with them or not. They have already made it pretty clear that it will be looked at at the end of the season, across all formats not on a game by game basis.

 

[Marius]

Cool. Just saw that along with Dwaine Pretorius.
Shame de Bruyn wasn't selected as opener and could rest Amla for that game. Also, anyone know what de Bruyn is bowling? Had better figures than Shamsi and Phangiso in a couple of the A games albeit against kids.

Apparently a bit of medium seam-up.

 

[Marius]

Understand what I mean... firstly they will not comlain if Rabdad roles his ankle and we have to play Morkel/Abbott who is in the squad. What they will not accept is us playing Morkel in front of Rabada for no good reason and then playing Games against Zimbabwe and pack the players of colour 'resting' the white players for the sole purpose of getting the quotas up... anybody would see that happening and be exactly against what the quotas are trying to achieve... agree with them or not. They have already made it pretty clear that it will be looked at at the end of the season, across all formats not on a game by game basis.

I don't think anyone will try do that though.

As I say though, I haven't seen CSA be 'warned'.

But I've also seen people complain when black players get thrown in the deep-end. When I was still on Twitter there was a guy who said AB would always protect Faf and stick him lower dowen the order and throw the likes of Duminy to the wolves. Or when Rabada got taken apart by Chris Gayle in a T20 people were complaining that the black player had to bowl to Gayle and get smashed around the park.

Meaningless T20s and ODIs will be the perfect place to blood POCs and get them used to international cricket, I don't see why it's a problem.

 

[StephenZA]

I don't think anyone will try do that though.

As I say though, I haven't seen CSA be 'warned'.

But I've also seen people complain when black players get thrown in the deep-end. When I was still on Twitter there was a guy who said AB would always protect Faf and stick him lower dowen the order and throw the likes of Duminy to the wolves. Or when Rabada got taken apart by Chris Gayle in a T20 people were complaining that the black player had to bowl to Gayle and get smashed around the park.

Meaningless T20s and ODIs will be the perfect place to blood POCs and get them used to international cricket, I don't see why it's a problem.

CSA has not been warned... they have warned the team management. Sorry for misunderstanding.

From original press conference. Cricket South Africa sets selection targets for national teams

"As a board we have taken a decision to say we are going to make sure these decisions are implemented and we are going to assess and evaluate the implementation process. We are going to introduce what we call consequence management. If you fail to act in a manner that advances the efficacy of the system, you need to account for that."

I do think that they will use the LO stuff and other less consequential games to blood youngsters, particularly those of colour, as we have always done. But it can`t be used as the 'method' to get quotas up...

 

[Marius]

CSA has not been warned... they have warned the team management. Sorry for misunderstanding.

From original press conference. Cricket South Africa sets selection targets for national teams

Ugh, you have to warn people when you link to a Moonda article, it's worse than being rickrolled.

 

[StephenZA]

Ugh, you have to warn people when you link to a Moonda article, it's worse than being rickrolled.

Many apologies... it was more about the quotes from the press conference than her garbage...

 

[StephenZA]

Cool. Just saw that along with Dwaine Pretorius.
Shame de Bruyn wasn't selected as opener and could rest Amla for that game. Also, anyone know what de Bruyn is bowling? Had better figures than Shamsi and Phangiso in a couple of the A games albeit against kids.

Apparently a bit of medium seam-up.

Think he may be a bit of Cronje type bowler...

 

[marc71178]

But that's ridiculous - Rabada rolls his ankle of the morning of a Test match, that means you're stuffed.

That would surely be extenuating circumstances, although in theory they would be able to catch it up before the end of the season as it's a one-off?

 

[Grumpy]

Look mate, I really don't think it is for us (non South Africans) to comment in such strong terms and be so judgemental. Of course on the face of it race quotas are are not a good thing......but as I've before in somewhere in here there is a lot more than the success of a cricket team at stake here.

I don't believe for a second that this is tackling racism with racism.......this is about giving a disadvantaged section of their population some form of assistance and a leg up. And to be frank while this situation still exists........

I get your point, but the international cricket team is not the place for it. I'm all for the disadvantaged section getting assistance, but this isn't it. Apartheid was a policy in which decisions were taken based on the colour of one's skin and nothing else. I'm not comparing quotas with that heinous act, but you can see the irony quotas bring up.

And your compromising the standard and competition of international sports with such acts. The only criteria for selection should be merit. The place to try and encourage black population in SA is in grassroots. I know Gary Kirsten is involved in such programs, which is encouraging, and I hope more is done to encourage people to take up cricket. But quotas is not the answer.

Based on what evidence?

Maybe you missed where I delierately called the Quoteas. That should give you your answer.

Ahem...

Ahem ahem...

Looks like the Quoteas are destined for that No. 7 spot.

 

[Niall]

Ugh, you have to warn people when you link to a Moonda article, it's worse than being rickrolled.

The below part of the article was a little cheeky, yep of course on initial reading that is very good to have so many players of color in your side, however the Aussie side they defeated was kids, they shouldn't be presenting that match or series as any sort of success.

Nenzani said. "The South Africa A side had six players of colour and three Black Africans in the starting XI that beat the Australia National Performance Squad by nine wickets in the final match of their quadrangular series in Australia today."